Taliban Taking Over Afghanistan - Does anyone care?

Do you care?

  • No

    Votes: 41 23.6%

  • Hell No

    Votes: 48 27.6%

  • Yes, we should invade and send in Troops

    Votes: 25 14.4%

  • I like Pie

    Votes: 60 34.5%
  • Total voters
    174
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Weezer said:
Seeing how they're seeing some service here, it was on this date in 1954 that the Lockheed C-130 had its first flight.
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Gotta love the Hercules. Those butt numbing red cargo seats that are next to impossible to store with all ruck hanging from front and chute on back. The sound of those propellers would put me right to sleep from about the age of 2.
 
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rjd970 said:
The howling about what other countries and NATO think is also a little ridiculous given the rhetoric from the right on that over the last 4 years.
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That's true both ways. I always find this argument disingenuous because all that's really happened is both sides have flipflopped making both sides hypocrites. Yet one side always seems to ignore their own hypocrisy in a rush to point out the hypocrisy of the other side. And this makes sense how? The left was in an uproar when Trump demanded NATO allies live up to their obligations. Then, they cared about alienating our NATO allies. But now it doesn't matter? It can't be both ways. Either it matters or it doesn't. That doesn't change by the political affiliation of whoever sits in the Oval Office.

And personally, it doesn't matter to me what they think.
 
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Notice the novice thought processes of progressives now. They think it is only about the number of people that's been flown or airlifted out.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Sure it will. Trump didn't include the afghans on the deal. The Taliban was always going to takeover. This withdrawal was a craptastic failure, but for 20 years we have been giving the Afghan army weapon which were always going to be turned right over to the taliban. There is lots of blame on this one. Everybody focusing solely on Biden is just playing the tribal allegiance game.
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I disagree. This isn't an argument about our entire time in Afghanistan. If it were, then sure, there'd be plenty of blame to go around. This is an argument about the poor exit strategy that was implemented, the one that left thousands of American and allies lives in danger through sheer incompetence, and that falls squarely on Biden. You can't dodge that with "but Trump". We armed the Afghans. We trained the Afghans. It was always going to be up to them to fight and defend their country at some point. We shouldn't have to stay there forever to keep them safe. Last I looked, they were not one of the United States of America.

Trump no longer sits in the Oval Office. We have no idea how he would have withdrawn the troops, and honestly, it doesn't matter. Joe Biden won the election. Despite the ridiculous arguments over the veracity of the election, Joe Biden sits in the Oval Office as Commander-in-Chief. Any attempt to lay this at the feet of anyone but him, that's tribal politics. How quickly the left has forgotten Harry Truman. "The buck stops here." This current disaster falls on Biden, and Biden alone.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I think you’re FOS and trying to deflect. Everyone agrees we should have left. And everyone agrees (except those hacks trying to deflect) that Biden ****ed this up at a biblical level.
Trump is irrelevant to how bad a **** up this is.
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That is an overly simplistic view of this crap. Biden screwed up royally. Trump screwed up royally. Same for Obama and Bush. Everyone contributed to this mess. Trump released 5000 fighters plus the current leader in a peace accord that didn't include the Afghans. Obama and Bush gave billions of dollars in weaponry to the Afghan government in a nation building exercise that anyone with half a brain knew was destined for failure. This was always going to be a crappy outcome unless we stayed forever.
 
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utvolpj said:
Imo the actual original invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan are bigger muckups. How about creating the Afg forces we have been fighting for 20yrs? Western foreign policy is extremely short-sighted because of our govts
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My only thought on this, I agree the original invasions were muckups, as you say, but, the reason they are not bigger "foreign policy disasters" is because our "allies" supported us going in, but are not supporting us pulling out. It's all in the lens that is being used. And the lens being used is "foreign policy".
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Sure it will. Trump didn't include the afghans on the deal. The Taliban was always going to takeover. This withdrawal was a craptastic failure, but for 20 years we have been giving the Afghan army weapon which were always going to be turned right over to the taliban. There is lots of blame on this one. Everybody focusing solely on Biden is just playing the tribal allegiance game.
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Biden owns this lock stock and barrel. He wanted the corner office he’s got it. And he’s horrible at it.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
I got flamed last week for suggesting the same, but maybe I wasn't so far off in my assessment.

Our strongest European allies have voiced deep criticism. It has been suggested that known terrorist organizations, China, and Russia have all been emboldened. NATO is a disaster. People are being trampled, falling from planes, and stranded behind enemy lines.

Yeah, it's really bad.
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If you got flamed for suggesting the same, it was probably by those now regretting the consequences of their naïveté in voting for this utter disaster of a President. The recognition of one’s own foolishness often manifests itself in projecting the same futile attacks from their completely embarrassing position and their disconnect from the reality of the situation around them.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Impeached. That’s about it. At least in our judicial system.
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War crimes come from The Hague and the International Court of Justice. Anyone can be charged with war crimes. Even the POTUS. Whether or not we would cooperate with such a prosecution has never been tested, at least as far as I'm aware.
 
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Weezer said:
War crimes come from The Hague and the International Court of Justice. Anyone can be charged with war crimes. Even the POTUS. Whether or not we would cooperate with such a prosecution has never been tested, at least as far as I'm aware.
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That’s why I qualified it with the last sentence but yes I agree with you.
 
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Vol737 said:
If you got flamed for suggesting the same, it was probably by those now regretting the consequences of their naïveté in voting for this utter disaster of a President. The recognition of one’s own foolishness often manifests itself in projecting the same futile attacks from their completely embarrassing position and their disconnect from the reality of the situation around them.
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It's all about choices. We were given two poor choices and asked to decide which one we wanted to run the country? GOP hyped and still do hype their poor choice of Trump, and Dems will continue to hype their poor choice of Biden. Same thing happened in 2016 with Hillary and Trump, we've just seen the sides flipflop.

This country needs to find a way to return to worthy candidates, but the current political climate seems to discourage that.
 
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Weezer said:
My only thought on this, I agree the original invasions were muckups, as you say, but, the reason they are not bigger "foreign policy disasters" is because our "allies" supported us going in, but are not supporting us pulling out. It's all in the lens that is being used. And the lens being used is "foreign policy".
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look at the difference in global support for Iraq 1 vs Iraq part deux. Very few large allies supported our efforts there. Then look at what it cost us all
 
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utvolpj said:
look at the difference in global support for Iraq 1 vs Iraq part deux. Very few large allies supported our efforts there. Then look at what it cost us all
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I don't remember our "allies" being publicly critical of us like we're seeing now. Again, that doesn't really matter to me, but @kiddiedoc was using the lens of foreign policy, which would take into account their response to our actions.
 
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rjd970 said:
Really? How so?
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We shouldn't care or give a shizz if NATO members or other countries are pissed at us for putting America and it's citizens first. When a POTUS is doing his job I suspect most of Europe is pissed off at us. We should all care when a POTUS gives the impression that we are weak and lead by incompetents, that encourages our enemies to take advantage.
 
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