Taliban Taking Over Afghanistan - Does anyone care?

Do you care?

  • No

    Votes: 40 23.4%

  • Hell No

    Votes: 47 27.5%

  • Yes, we should invade and send in Troops

    Votes: 25 14.6%

  • I like Pie

    Votes: 59 34.5%
  • Total voters
    171
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Weezer said:
Is this another one of those things that it's only okay when the left does it? Like "whataboutism"?

Seriously though, the facts support that Biden screwed this up and broke promises. I think you're well aware of that. I think it just pains you to admit it. This goes beyond politics, LG. Biden failed. Our top military brass failed. Our intelligence people failed. There was so much epic failure in all of this. And quite simply, I don't see how anyone can deny it. We know for a fact, people were left behind. We know for a fact, Biden previously stated we wouldn't leave anyone behind. No one needs to change the facts. The facts clearly show how poorly this was handled.
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Again this is our way whether government, military, or corporate. Top down leadership not by the most qualified, but by people who look, act, and talk most appropriate to the role (at least as is politically correct at a specific point in time). We look for book covers and not substance. People who dare speak out are axed, shifted laterally to do nothing positions, or sometimes become whistleblowers - probably less protection for them than we might think.

Failure can be people or policy oriented; somebody still determines the policy - so it gets back to people who set policy. Almost all corporate, government, and military failures stem from the people in positions of power - sometimes simple middle and low level managers carrying out the party line (perhaps real disciples, simple ambition, or just spineless). We have lost the ability to trust the honest working man or woman actually attempting to carry out the job for a role model who lies through his/her teeth without a hint of guilt.
 
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hog88 said:
If he really did receive intel suggesting it would take 90 days he also received a contradictory report suggesting days to fall. He chose which one to believe.
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Intel is often slanted to what the people at the top want. They want what supports the position - not the truth. A classic example would be the Steele dossier and the official handling of it. It's just a matter of making some fact disappear and bumping other "fact"; the intelligence agencies are generally more subtle than say N Korea, the Gestapo, or Goebbels - probably more along the lines of Tass and Pravda in their smooth days.
 
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1vol8 said:
Those are not “just dogs”. Those are American soldiers just the same as a K-9 that wears a badge of your local department is a cop.
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I know this.

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