Taliban Taking Over Afghanistan - Does anyone care?

[hog88]

My biggest fear is a high level of DNC members are actually in control and using his aids as ambassadors for them. He is clearly being controlled by his aids so the question is who is controlling them?

I think Pelosi and Schumer know but it’s not them. I think AOC knows too which gives her leverage and is damn scary.

It's not the DNC controlling him, it's the Chinese and the international bankers.

 

[rjd970]

rather than go through each point I'll just take the bolded.

they should have rated the chance that it would fall apart higher than they apparently did - again, having 2 decades of experience. It's hard to imagine they thought something like this was just a remote possibility.

the larger point is that this is a major F'up and I disagree that it no matter what the plan was it would have been a major F'up. no one is expecting perfection so yes there could always be something to complain about but on a scale of done well with a few errors to complete disaster I know which end of the scale we are on.

Its very easy to say the bolded after-the-fact knowing the result. Doesn't take away that there were screw-ups, but hindsight is and always will be 20/20. I guarantee had the Taliban taken over in 6 months instead of 1 month there would still be the chicken little calls about how bad it was executed. No one could have got this right at the very end of the transition.

My issue and disagreement centers on the narrative that this was a screw up from the beginning and nothing was done right. We got 99%+ of people out weeks ago. We strategically transitioned FOB control back to the ANA over the last 12 months. We left behind equipment and resources to take this over themselves. Then we got to the finish line and tripped...now all of a sudden it is this story that we majorly screwed up and the Monday morning QB'ing takes place and everyone is a military and foreign policy expert.

I'm not saying there weren't screwups, and I'm not saying we should have had more forethought about certain things. People can pile on this administration, and some of it is absolutely deserved. But at the end of the day this whole endeavor in Afghanistan has been a mess, and it is always messy cleaning a mess. Biden did this knowing it was going to be a softball for his political enemies and an easy target.

And you can bet your @$$ this would have been even worse had Trump decided to do it. The press would be having more a field day than they currently are. And I would bet the mortgage the tune from the righties on the board would be closer in line with what I'm saying now.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

His comments were irrelevant to any of that. It's like you change the subject everytime you post. That said, my life did not change. My vacations were Ponte Vedra for spring break and 2 beach trips for the summers. Our family did all our usual stuff.

The discussion is about how badly Biden effed up this withdrawal. You, like others, want to pull Trump into the conversation. I get that, because there really is no defending Biden here.

You should read through the posts. I' be agreed it is 100% on Biden.

 

[C-south]

Really? Where did you go see live music in spring/summer 2020? Where did you take vacations during same time? Everyone's life was impacted. If you don't think so, you're an imbecile

Well as for vacations I took multiple ones last spring/summer. Myrtle, Pawleys, guys golf trip, pigeon forge.

 

[Velo Vol]

I acknowledged that in my previous post. The idea is the same though, people who are appearing to come in peace that are coming here with the goal of killing us. Do you really think it would be that hard for a Taliban fighter to pretend to be a refugee?

They'd have to have documentation of previous service to our government, which may not be impossible to forge, but it's not nothing.

 

[allvol123]

You should read through the posts. I' be agreed it is 100% on Biden.

And that Trump did not have any moment like this.

 

[RikidyBones]

The Taliban knocked on her door 3 times. The fourth time, they killed her

(CNN)Najia was at home with her three young sons and daughter in a small village in northern Afghanistan when Taliban fighters knocked on their door.

Najia's daughter Manizha, 25, knew they were coming -- her mother had told her they'd done the same thing the previous three days, demanding that she cook food for up to 15 fighters.

"My mother told them, 'I am poor, how can I cook for you?'" said Manizha. "(The Taliban) started beating her. My mother collapsed and they hit her with their guns -- AK47s."

Manizha said she yelled at the fighters to stop. They paused for a moment before throwing a grenade into the next room and fleeing as the flames spread, she said. The mother-of-four died from the beating.

Women in Afghanistan: The Taliban knocked on her door 3 times. The fourth time, they killed her - CNN

Impossible. @K-town Vol Fan assured us that no violence was taking place from the Taliban.

 

[MG1968]

The Taliban knocked on her door 3 times. The fourth time, they killed her

(CNN)Najia was at home with her three young sons and daughter in a small village in northern Afghanistan when Taliban fighters knocked on their door.

Najia's daughter Manizha, 25, knew they were coming -- her mother had told her they'd done the same thing the previous three days, demanding that she cook food for up to 15 fighters.

"My mother told them, 'I am poor, how can I cook for you?'" said Manizha. "(The Taliban) started beating her. My mother collapsed and they hit her with their guns -- AK47s."

Manizha said she yelled at the fighters to stop. They paused for a moment before throwing a grenade into the next room and fleeing as the flames spread, she said. The mother-of-four died from the beating.

Women in Afghanistan: The Taliban knocked on her door 3 times. The fourth time, they killed her - CNN

Cant be true, @K-town Vol Fan said there’s been no violence as the Taliban retake Afghanistan.

Edit:^^^ beat me to it.

 

[VolnJC]

Well as for vacations I took multiple ones last spring/summer. Myrtle, Pawleys, guys golf trip, pigeon forge.

Last year we went to Gatlinburg, Ark Encounter, Wild Adventures, Opryland Christmas, and Universal Studios...so yeah it impacted my life

 

[lukeneyland]

They'd have to have documentation of previous service to our government, which may not be impossible to forge, but it's not nothing.

I’d say the biggest threat as far as infiltration is concerned is that the Taliban will disguise some of there terrorist as refugees

 

[C-south]

Ignorant and counterproductive selfishness. Refugees have a great track record in America, including refugees from war-torn Islamic countries.

They’re doing great things in Europe as well. Your statement is the only ignorant thing here. Coming here shouldn’t be easy especially when we spent decades and many lives setting you up to get your s**t together only to be overrun in a week. Same for the border. Claiming asylum should be difficult and not even be possible once you’ve illegally attempted to cross a border.

 

[lukeneyland]

Sounds like this Navy seal has it right. O’NEILL: Yeah, we've completely taken our eye off the ball on this one, and we've got to realize, instead of being on the left side of the aisle, the right side of the aisle, there are people out there that want to kill all of us. Doesn't matter what you look like or which part of the country you’re from or even which part of our alliance is from. They’re out there. And, you know, they've always been in Pakistan, right on the border in the madrassas, teaching these younger kids the new wave of Taliban, new wave of ISIS, new wave of Al-Qaeda, all that stuff. They're coming. We know they're coming.

I hope they're people that are smart enough to realize, hey, that big convoy coming in, that might be Taliban. Let's bomb them. Hey, they're in the presidential palace. Why don't we bomb it? Hey, there. On the treadmills, bomb them. I don't know why it's so hard to kill people that are trying to kill you. And that's what we're here to do. We lost sight of that a long time ago, trying to build schools for people who don't want them.

 

[lukeneyland]

They’re doing great things in Europe as well. Your statement is the only ignorant thing here. Coming here shouldn’t be easy especially when we spent decades and many lives setting you up to get your s**t together only to be overrun in a week. Same for the border. Claiming asylum should be difficult and not even be possible once you’ve illegally attempted to cross a border.

There’s parts of France where the police don’t bother with policing because they let them live by Islamic law. People are underestimating the danger these people present

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Dem Rep. Moulton: Current Afghanistan Operation a ‘Failure’ and Biden Didn’t Plan for This Situation

On Monday’s broadcast of CNN’s “OutFront,” Rep. Seth Moulton (D-MA) said the ongoing operation in Afghanistan is a “failure” and President Joe Biden’s claim that his administration planned for every possibility in Afghanistan is false, because “if they had planned for this contingency, then they would have gotten our friends and allies out of Afghanistan a long time ago” like some in Congress urged the administration to, and then “we wouldn’t see the chaotic scenes at Kabul Airport today.”

Dem Rep. Moulton: Current Afghanistan Operation a 'Failure' and Biden Didn't Plan for This Situation

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Washington Post: 80,000 Afghans Want U.S. Green Cards, Citizenship

More than 80,000 Afghans want visas to come to the United States, according to an August 16 report in the Washington Post.

Columnist Josh Rogin reported:

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The State Department is also dealing with more than 80,000 visa applications for Afghans who worked with the U.S. government or find themselves at risk, the official said.​

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The 80,000 population is in addition to the more than 2,000 Afghans who have already landed in the United States and is in addition to “an estimated 10,000 U.S. citizens in the country … [including] dual nationals or children of Americans who may not have the proper passport or visas,” Rogin reported.

Washington Post: 80,000 Afghans Want U.S. Green Cards, Citizenship

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Washington Post: 80,000 Afghans Want U.S. Green Cards, Citizenship

More than 80,000 Afghans want visas to come to the United States, according to an August 16 report in the Washington Post.

Columnist Josh Rogin reported:

​

The State Department is also dealing with more than 80,000 visa applications for Afghans who worked with the U.S. government or find themselves at risk, the official said.​

​

The 80,000 population is in addition to the more than 2,000 Afghans who have already landed in the United States and is in addition to “an estimated 10,000 U.S. citizens in the country … [including] dual nationals or children of Americans who may not have the proper passport or visas,” Rogin reported.

Washington Post: 80,000 Afghans Want U.S. Green Cards, Citizenship

 

[NEO]

It's not the DNC controlling him, it's the Chinese and the international bankers.

I think both of these control the DNC.

 

[n_huffhines]

I acknowledged that in my previous post. The idea is the same though, people who are appearing to come in peace that are coming here with the goal of killing us. Do you really think it would be that hard for a Taliban fighter to pretend to be a refugee?

This fear has existed for decades and yet here we are living in a country that doesn't see that in practice. We're talking thousands of Islamic refugees every year for like 5 decades and the only terrorist attack I know of was the Boston bombing, which wasn't actually carried out by refugees, it was their children who were born here and radicalized here, shaming their parents. But sure, let's count that. Does that one instance offset all the good and value that comes with resettling (just throwing out a number) 200k refugees who are net contributors?

 

[Velo Vol]

I’d say the biggest threat as far as infiltration is concerned is that the Taliban will disguise some of there terrorist as refugees

And do what?

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

SIAP ..... Kabul flights resume as Pentagon warns of swift response to any attack

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

I think both of these control the DNC.

No surprise there.

 

[tnmarktx]

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

And do what?

Oh, I don't know .... let's start with terrorist causing chaos all throughout big major cities.
Then having public be-headings out in plain view while the cops can't interfer because of the lunatic de-fund the police actions brought on by the lunatic left.

 

[volinbham]

Its very easy to say the bolded after-the-fact knowing the result. Doesn't take away that there were screw-ups, but hindsight is and always will be 20/20. I guarantee had the Taliban taken over in 6 months instead of 1 month there would still be the chicken little calls about how bad it was executed. No one could have got this right at the very end of the transition.

My issue and disagreement centers on the narrative that this was a screw up from the beginning and nothing was done right. We got 99%+ of people out weeks ago. We strategically transitioned FOB control back to the ANA over the last 12 months. We left behind equipment and resources to take this over themselves. Then we got to the finish line and tripped...now all of a sudden it is this story that we majorly screwed up and the Monday morning QB'ing takes place and everyone is a military and foreign policy expert.

I'm not saying there weren't screwups, and I'm not saying we should have had more forethought about certain things. People can pile on this administration, and some of it is absolutely deserved. But at the end of the day this whole endeavor in Afghanistan has been a mess, and it is always messy cleaning a mess. Biden did this knowing it was going to be a softball for his political enemies and an easy target.

And you can bet your @$$ this would have been even worse had Trump decided to do it. The press would be having more a field day than they currently are. And I would bet the mortgage the tune from the righties on the board would be closer in line with what I'm saying now.

99+%?

I disagree with your suggestion that this outcome or worse was inevitable.

 

[Franklin Pierce]