taxpayers subsidize ceo pay

#51
#51
lawgator1 said:
Why isn't a capital gain income?

If I buy a stock at $20 and sell it at $40, I make $20. Why shouldn't I have to pay the same tax as a guy who mowed a lawn and got $20?
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you already paid taxes on the initial $20 once
 
#53
#53
rmsmith said:
oh the assumptions in the politics forum. Not saying i have, but you have no idea if i haven't.

When cash flow is in the negatives that's when you fall back on cash on hand. If there is no cash on hand that goes back to the flawed business model.
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What cash?? Small start ups generally don't have cash just laying around, and it's extreamly hard to get a LOC within the first 12 months of buisness.

I didn't assume anything, it's obvious you have always been an employee and not a principle.
 
#54
#54
rmsmith said:
on the initial 20 yes, but not on the 20 you made.
you aren't being taxed on the initial 20 again.
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the $20 in profit was a risk to help the economy. A person should be rewarded for something like that
 
#56
#56
rmsmith said:
would you also do away with the tax benefit if someone took a loss?
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and introduce a greater risk and less investment? Hmmm

I am in favor of the govt having the least amount of people's money as is possible
 
#58
#58
utvolpj said:
and introduce a greater risk and less investment? Hmmm

I am in favor of the govt having the least amount of people's money as is possible
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Me too, but im more for a simpler tax code. Someone shouldn't be given a break because they made a bad investment decision
 
#59
#59
if they simplify the tax code then that's fine. If they do it without real changes then it simply punishes the people trying to get things going.
 
#60
#60
utvolpj said:
if they simplify the tax code then that's fine. If they do it without real changes then it simply punishes the people trying to get things going.
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my real issue is with stocks. I don't think stock investors do anything to help the economy. Sure if a lot of them risk investment and buy therefore driving up the price it makes the market look good. But what does that actually do to the economy?
 
#66
#66
rmsmith said:
ok? should be 0.
I said earlier. someone shouldn't be given a break because they made a bad choice.
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So to summarize your thread:

You want to tax gains the full amount of regular income but not treat losses like ordinary business losses.

You don't think the stock market is helpful to the economy.

Any company that is not immediately turning a profit has a failed business model and should just shut the doors.
 
#67
#67
vols4sure said:
So to summarize your thread:

You want to tax gains the full amount of regular income but not treat losses like ordinary business losses.
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whoa.. where did i say business losses should get a break?

vols4sure said:
You don't think the stock market is helpful to the economy.
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explain how it is?
vols4sure said:
Any company that is not immediately turning a profit has a failed business model and should just shut the doors.
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they can take out a loan.
 
#68
#68
rmsmith said:
whoa.. where did i say business losses should get a break?

I am saying you are arguing for treating investment income the same as everything else but investment losses differently. Does not make sense.

explain how it is?

Raising capital for business. If you didn't already understand this, I would be wasting my time going into more detail. Sure it can be manipulated, but overall it is essential to the economy.

they can take out a loan.
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What about when a credit crisis hits? Can't sell company stock to raise funds in your world. Can't turn to a company like Bain Capital cause they are the devil and will cause employee's wives to die of cancer. Just go ahead and shut the doors to your startup company just when it is starting to turn the corner because you have no cash on hand to pay a couple bills.

It would be a booming economy in your world.
 
#70
#70
vols4sure said:
Raising capital for business. If you didn't already understand this, I would be wasting my time going into more detail. Sure it can be manipulated, but overall it is essential to the economy.
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a company wll only raise capital on an IPO, or if they issue more stock. day to day trading of stocks do not do anything for a companies bottom line.
vols4sure said:
I am saying you are arguing for treating investment income the same as everything else but investment losses differently. Does not make sense.
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investment losses are different? no deductions for losses. period.
 
#72
#72
rmsmith said:
oh the assumptions in the politics forum. Not saying i have, but you have no idea if i haven't.

When cash flow is in the negatives that's when you fall back on cash on hand. If there is no cash on hand that goes back to the flawed business model.
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Your comments make it abundantly clear to everyone that you haven't.
 
#73
#73
rmsmith said:
a company wll only raise capital on an IPO, or if they issue more stock. day to day trading of stocks do not do anything for a companies bottom line.
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Are you serious? :blink: Do you really not understand why it is necessary to allow stock transactions other than simply for IPO's or secondary offerings?

Also, I'm sure this one's going to be a shocker for you, but cash proceeds from an IPO or secondary offering don't do squat for a company's bottom line either!
 
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#74
#74
volinbham said:
I think that makes sense
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whoa. do what?

The bottom line is that capital gains treatment exists to encourage investment and applying losses to the top line at full boat is simply math and also helps encourage investment.
 
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