Teacher Union Success Stories

[golfballs]

To the goal of protecting bad teachers in spite of education. Huzzah!

NYC can't fire this $100,049-a-year teacher pulled from the classroom 11 years ago - NYPOST.com

 

[dreVol]

hooray for the rubber room!

 

[n_huffhines]

I don't understand why it's so hard to make a case against public education.

 

[utvolpj]

I don't understand why it's so hard to make a case against public education.

because the people trying to make the case were educated in public schools?

 

[n_huffhines]

because the people to whom the case is made were educated in public schools?

fyp

 

[utvolpj]

probably true too

(although I shouldn't say too much since I went to PS and my mom taught in one)

 

[golfballs]

I believe in public education. just not the current state of it

 

[n_huffhines]

I believe in public education. just not the current state of it

Which public education do you believe in? I mean, is there a system somewhere in the world (or in history) that you think is run well?

 

[n_huffhines]

probably true too

(although I shouldn't say too much since I went to PS and my mom taught in one)

I was home-schooled as a kid (and yes I was weird), went to middle school and high school, and went to a religious private university as well as a public university. I have a weird educational background. I had a good public school experience for the most part. I was lucky. Doesn't mean they weren't spending too much money on me, though.

My Dad teaches at a public University. My grandparents taught HS for the BIA. I still want it all privatized.

 

[utvolpj]

I was home-schooled as a kid (and yes I was weird), went to middle school and high school, and went to a private university as well as a public university. I have a weird educational background. I had a good public school experience for the most part. I was lucky. Doesn't mean they weren't spending too much money on me, though.

I was in private for 4 years and it was a great education. Switched to public for HS and my 9th grade year was basically a repeat. Part of me wishes I had stayed for the education but I wanted to play sports

 

[golfballs]

Which public education do you believe in? I mean, is there a system somewhere in the world (or in history) that you think is run well?

I believe in the notion of public education. I think it's a worthy goal to strive towards. Education should be the great equalizer. Children given the opportunity to succeed. And at the very least given skills to contribute to society.

I moved around a lot and spent time equal time in private and public schools. Almost all the public schools were crap. The private schools were definitely better.

 

[Lexvol]

NEA will eventually do us in. Probably the largest current threat to our republic.

 

[utvolpj]

the problem with public schools IMO is that you have to be driven to get a very good education. I did fine because I wanted to take the classes like AP physics and Calc II but those classes only had 6-8 students in them. One of our valid victorians took basic classes and graduated with a much better gpa than me but a far worse education. She had no drive

 

[golfballs]

I think the problem with public schools is the quality of education

 

[BigPapaVol]

Shortest thread ever.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

I think the problem with public schools is the quality of education

The problem with public schools is that they're run by the government, which means they are inherently inefficient and ineffective.

 

[golfballs]

The problem with public schools is that they're run by the government, which means they are inherently inefficient and ineffective.

Public schools used to be a lot more effective.

 

[Lexvol]

Public schools used to be a lot more effective.

Yeah...long before revisionist history and political correctness.

 

[KiffinKiller]

lol at kids not having enough drive.

 

[lawgator1]

I agree this guy ought to be axed.

And glad to see that they closed this loophole and that its only a few miscreants out of the tens of thousands of teachers in that system who were able to take advantage of it before it got closed.

Kudos to the teachers' unions on closing that within their contracts.

 

[utvolpj]

lol at kids not having enough drive.

why? The teachers aren't going to force it because there is no incentive for them. If the kids can get by doing the minimum then they will. Not many choose to do everything they can (especially in a state like TN when gpa started to become a qualifier for state lottery money). Do I take college algebra and get an A or do I take 6 math classes in 4 years and risk a B?

 

[n_huffhines]

I believe in the notion of public education. I think it's a worthy goal to strive towards. Education should be the great equalizer. Children given the opportunity to succeed. And at the very least given skills to contribute to society.

I moved around a lot and spent time equal time in private and public schools. Almost all the public schools were crap. The private schools were definitely better.

So would you support public money following kids to private schools, and phasing out public schools?

 

[n_huffhines]

Public schools used to be a lot more effective.

Cause they were run completely on the local level, and unions had less influence/were non-existent.

 

[golfballs]

Cause they were run completely on the local level, and unions had less influence/were non-existent.

I think we should return to that.

 

[golfballs]

So would you support public money following kids to private schools, and phasing out public schools?

I think I could support that. But would it be like what's happened in universities with federal loans and grants? they take advantage of it by increasing the costs and soaking more money out of the system?