Teaching Fired for a Tweet...

[UT-Rex]

He’s been lost since we took his thread away

I request that you give it back to him.

Laugh. It wasn't "his" thread (I was just a participant like he).

 

[Orangeslice13]

Don't get me wrong, I've taken it upon myself to derail a few threads; but there's a way to go about it and this ain't it.

I’m completely innocent in this.

 

[Vol737]

Gonna come down to insubordination. Sounds like she repeatedly tried to get the song into the spring concert after the administration denied it and then struck back with multiple tweets or what was considered a social media campaign. Certainly free speech, but there are rules in every organization, public or private, wrt insubordination. Will see how it pertains here. Interesting hill to die on, though…over a song.

 

[UT-Rex]

Gonna come down to insubordination. Sounds like she repeatedly tried to get the song into the spring concert after the administration denied it and then struck back with multiple tweets or what was considered a social media campaign. Certainly free speech, but there are rules in every organization, public or private, wrt insubordination. Will see how it pertains here. Interesting hill to die on, though…over a song.

perspective --

like another Wisconsin school disctrict, this event could be (not the end of the teacher's tenure and bond with students in the classroom)

a beginning of and end to teachers' insensitivity to School Board policies --

"In a press release on Wednesday, the school district said that it viewed Perkins' comments as an "educational opportunity" and that the district will be hiring a consultant to improve the student experience in its schools, according to the Daily Herald."

Wisconsin School Reinstates Teacher Despite Use of Racist Slurs (insider.com)

permit

a. the teacher put on a private performance outside of classroom time ;
b. another group an opportunity to perform a song regarding the rainbow of Genesis 9:12-13

 

[BowlBrother85]

Gonna come down to insubordination. Sounds like she repeatedly tried to get the song into the spring concert after the administration denied it and then struck back with multiple tweets or what was considered a social media campaign. Certainly free speech, but there are rules in every organization, public or private, wrt insubordination. Will see how it pertains here. Interesting hill to die on, though…over a song.

I have mixed feelings about it. This is a trite issue to protest, but I also believe that First Amendment rights cover a teacher being publicly critical of their administrators, if they have reason to believe that the best interests of school children are not being served. That could rise to the level of being a public concern ... in the same sense that whistleblowing isn't subordination.

 

[85SugarVol]

I have mixed feelings about it. This is a trite issue to protest, but I also believe that First Amendment rights cover a teacher being publicly critical of their administrators, if they have reason to believe that the best interests of school children are not being served. That could rise to the level of being a public concern ... in the same sense that whistleblowing isn't subordination.

Mixed feelings sums it up for me too. It’s the presence of the State in this disagreement that gives me pause.

If this lady worked for a private entity, she’s toast and SOL. No freedom from consequence here.

 

[allvol123]

I have mixed feelings about it. This is a trite issue to protest, but I also believe that First Amendment rights cover a teacher being publicly critical of their administrators, if they have reason to believe that the best interests of school children are not being served. That could rise to the level of being a public concern ... in the same sense that whistleblowing isn't subordination.

Whistleblowers are associated with reporting crimes. She is just an immature employee crying about not getting her way.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Whistleblowers are associated with reporting crimes. She is just an immature employee crying about not getting her way.

Whistleblowing often does involve the reporting of crimes, but it doesn't necessarily have to involve criminal activity.

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence defines whistleblowing as :

Revealing information about activity within a public or private organization that is deemed illegal, immoral, unsafe, or fraudulent.

 

[Vol737]

I have mixed feelings about it. This is a trite issue to protest, but I also believe that First Amendment rights cover a teacher being publicly critical of their administrators, if they have reason to believe that the best interests of school children are not being served. That could rise to the level of being a public concern ... in the same sense that whistleblowing isn't subordination.

I understand what you’re saying, but wrt a song, I don’t think she can take that to the level of being a public concern and I don’t think it will fall under the construct of what whistleblower protections are all about. She was just upset her song was nixed by the administration after being declined what sounds like more than once. I don’t know that can be considered protecting the children. If all she did was make one single tweet expressing disappointment, I don’t know that it would have elevated to this level. We’ll see how much weight they lend to insubordination If it goes to court vs free speech. I can see it going either way and possibly getting her job back.

 

[UT-Rex]

I have mixed feelings about it. This is a trite issue to protest, but I also believe that First Amendment rights cover a teacher being publicly critical of their administrators, if they have reason to believe that the best interests of school children are not being served. That could rise to the level of being a public concern ... in the same sense that whistleblowing isn't subordination.

Whistleblowers are associated with reporting crimes. She is just an immature employee crying about not getting her way.

Whistleblowing often does involve the reporting of crimes, but it doesn't necessarily have to involve criminal activity.

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence defines whistleblowing as :

Revealing information about activity within a public or private organization that is deemed illegal, immoral, unsafe, or fraudulent.

Interesting, in that I had not looked at this in context of "whistleblowing" until you brought it up --

so, according to Yahoo, the AEW is focusing public's attention away from the teacher's insensitivity to school board polies and upon the school board itself, regarding another activity besides "whistleblowing" (this seems not a case of wbn -- parent who had been told the performance was banned might have already told other Public persons prior to the subject tweets) --


"This superintendent and board began the march toward marginalization last year," an AEW spokesperson noted in the statement. "And it has only served to stoke fear and sow distrust in the Waukesha community, which has yielded a pattern of bullying against anyone who calls out the district's bias and harassment.
Wisconsin Teacher Fired After Criticizing School District's Ban of Student 'Rainbowland' Performance (yahoo.com)

^^ so, by their own wording, that looks like they're setting a pattern of showing certain "savage" activity (when, in fact, Yahoo has reported that SB is simply making a rational decision based on current, rational policy) ; the school board and Super should be able to show that they are NOT "savage beasts" :

How should a Christian respond to bullying? | GotQuestions.org
Although we do not find the word bullying in the Bible, we do find the word brutish, a synonym of the brutal thuggery associated with thieves, assassins, and savage beasts (Psalm 49:10; Proverbs 12:1; Isaiah 19:11). The Hebrew and Greek words translated “brute” or “brutish” mean “stupid, foolish, and irrational, as cattle.”

 

[BowlBrother85]

I understand what you’re saying, but wrt a song, I don’t think she can take that to the level of being a public concern and I don’t think it will fall under the construct of what whistleblower protections are all about. She was just upset her song was nixed by the administration after being declined what sounds like more than once. I don’t know that can be considered protecting the children. If all she did was make one single tweet expressing disappointment, I don’t know that it would have elevated to this level. We’ll see how much weight they lend to insubordination If it goes to court vs free speech. I can see it going either way and possibly getting her job back.

Yeah ... thinking about it more. It is just over a song that the kids might not even understand the meaning of. It probably won't go her way.

When I was a kid, I used to think that Y.M.C.A. by The Village People was about the fitness center chain. I was well into my 20's by the time someone clued me in that they were talking about a gay night club in NYC.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Replace the songs they sang with hymns and see how things change.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Replace the songs they sang with hymns and see how things change.

... or just let them sing Y.M.C.A?

It's the perfect compromise. It's a gay anthem, but heterosexuals have always liked it too.

 

[InVOLuntary]

... or just let them sing Y.M.C.A?

It's the perfect compromise. It's a gay anthem, but heterosexuals have always liked it too.

Would you be ok with the teacher singing Christian hymns?

 

[UT-Rex]

Replace the songs they sang with hymns and see how things change.

Would be interesting.

a. according to People Mag, Dolly Parton is the singer, and per the lyrics there is a message being taught/conveyed in the song

b. in its video, People shows DP saying "I'd rather think of my life (as) being on a 'pulpit' and not the pedestal ... if I have a 'sermon' or know something about something to present that"

Miley Cyrus and Dolly Parton Song Banned from Wisconsin School Concert (people.com)

 

[UT-Rex]

Yeah ... thinking about it more. It is just over a song that the kids might not even understand the meaning of. It probably won't go her way.

When I was a kid, I used to think that Y.M.C.A. by The Village People was about the fitness center chain. I was well into my 20's by the time someone clued me in that they were talking about a gay night club in NYC.

... or just let them sing Y.M.C.A?

It's the perfect compromise. It's a gay anthem, but heterosexuals have always liked it too.

Sometimes Posters stray somewhat from the real Subject (any idea what that's referred to in courts of law?).

Can it be agreed that Dolly P., Molly C., "teacher" and AEW understand the meaning ?

 

[BowlBrother85]

Would you be ok with the teacher singing Christian hymns?

Sure ... that doesn't bother me. When I was in elementary school (from 1979 -1985), that was done at public schools. We sang Christ-themed Christmas songs like "Away in a Manger" and "Silent Night, Holy Night" and "Little Drummer Boy."

As a matter of fact, I played Joseph in a Christmas pageant.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Sometimes Posters stray somewhat from the real Subject (any idea what that's referred to in courts of law?).

Can it be agreed that Dolly P., Molly C., "teacher" and AEW understand the meaning ?

Who is this guy? LOL.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Sure ... that doesn't bother me. When I was in elementary school (from 1979 -1985), that was done at public schools. We sang Christ-themed Christmas songs like "Away in a Manger" and "Silent Night, Holy Night" and "Little Drummer Boy."

As a matter of fact, I played Joseph in a Christmas pageant.

Many on your side would scream bloody murder if that were to happen.

 

[UT-Rex]

Yeah ... thinking about it more. It is just over a song that the kids might not even understand the meaning of. It probably won't go her way.

When I was a kid, I used to think that Y.M.C.A. by The Village People was about the fitness center chain. I was well into my 20's by the time someone clued me in that they were talking about a gay night club in NYC.

Who is this guy? LOL.

What I was saying is: surely, Dolly P., Molly C. , the subject teacher and the AEW (as those teaching) know the meaning of the Rainbowland song (even if you didn't early-on know the meaning behind that other song) ;

b. and, "that the kids might not even understand the meaning of" is no excuse (as the school board likely will agree, IF council tries to use such tactic).

 

[UT-Rex]

Yeah ... thinking about it more. It is just over a song that the kids might not even understand the meaning of. It probably won't go her way.

When I was a kid, I used to think that Y.M.C.A. by The Village People was about the fitness center chain. I was well into my 20's by the time someone clued me in that they were talking about a gay night club in NYC.

Interesting take on the situation.

Thankfully (on several levels), "It is just" is not the view of the school board (e.g. teachers do not teach things that they expect students "might not even understand", do they ? // rather, in this case, teacher chose a simple song so that they would understand) --

"Our mission is to ensure that every child, regardless of zip code, has access to quality public education programs, enrichment opportunities, and special education supports, so that all of our kids can be successful."
Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction |

E.G. as Christians, we sing hymns that are associated with Scripture (so as to remember and think on these things).

Would you be ok with the teacher singing Christian hymns?

 

[Vol737]

Yeah ... thinking about it more. It is just over a song that the kids might not even understand the meaning of. It probably won't go her way.

When I was a kid, I used to think that Y.M.C.A. by The Village People was about the fitness center chain. I was well into my 20's by the time someone clued me in that they were talking about a gay night club in NYC.

Haha! Same here.

 

[n_huffhines]

Replace the songs they sang with hymns and see how things change.

100%

Or what about the Southern Utah professor suing because he has to take sensitivity classes because he didn't use preferred pronouns?

Lots of people flip flop on all this speech/whistle blowing/insubordination talk.

 

[n_huffhines]

Would you be ok with the teacher singing Christian hymns?

I'm assuming most schools have some sort of band, orchestra, or choir performance around Christmas with religious themes and it's fine.

My sister was in Godspell at her HS. Funny that the religious folks were the ones that had a problem with it.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I'm assuming most schools have some sort of band, orchestra, or choir performance around Christmas with religious themes and it's fine.

My sister was in Godspell at her HS. Funny that the religious folks were the ones that had a problem with it.

You and yours have tried to take religious stuff out of school for a while now under the guise of separation of church and state ignoring freedom of speech and freedom of expression. But the leftist are ok with advancement of the religion of lbgtq