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Rucker tweeted about a article he did about the Vols/Wildcats schedule. Suppose to come out today. Any idea what it could be?
 
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It's up for anyone that has a gvx subscription and wants to summarize. It appears to be talking about the Tennessee-Kentucky basketball series.

From what I gather, he's referring to how they play twice a year currently. He's saying with the addition of the 2 schools could that series be reduced, and he says yes. That's where the free read ends though...

This is something that has definitely been a possibility and IMO is only fair. If we go 18 game schedule we play the other 13 teams all once and then alternate the other 5 games it would appear with different opponents every year.

I get that the UK game is rivalry and many fans want to see it twice, but it's not fair or intelligent. Why should we play UK twice every year, when it counts against our SEC record, when a team like say Bama will play Aubun twice a year instead? The fairest way to do it is just alternate the teams on a year to year basis or bi yearly and alternate home/away.
 
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History says that we have the best chance at beating UK than any other team. I want them at TBA every year. We had our worst year in quite some time and still almost beat them here. Yeah, they will beat us more than we will them, but when we do get those victories, it's like none other. Beating John Wall here was like winning the SEC championship. I'd hate to see the home / away series go. Hell, not many teams helps our RPI in the SEC, it's always nice to have KY on there to potentially give it a big boost.
 
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I'd much rather play UK twice a year. More than likely, they are losses but I'd be upset getting 1 crack at them a year.
 
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The issue is its more than KY. If we play our "rival" teams twice each year that's Florida, Kentucky and Vanderbilt. Granted vandy will be down this year, but normally those 3 are right at the top in the sec. So why should we play those teams 3 times while bama plays 3 garbage teams 2 times? It's not like the sec season doesn't matter, sure if we win it's nice, but losses could keep us from a bye in the sec t, and tack on more L's to the record.

I just don't see the gain outweighing the loss by playing Kentucky Florida vandy 3x while other teams were competing with like bama play 3 cake teams. I'd rather win the sec tournament and get a high seed in the NCAA than occasionally beat UK, but miss on byes and get lower seeds in the NCAA.
 
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I'm all for big rivalry games too, but BTO is making a lot of sense. I think most of these people just want to play UK no matter what. We will still play them every year, just sometimes not twice. I'm a little surprised so many posters are upset about it.
 
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It's likely we only play Vandy twice a year every year, and all the other teams will rotate.
 
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Bama went 12-4 in the SEC and didn't get into the NCAA tourney 2 years ago because their non conference was too weak and had too many cupcakes that they played in the SEC west that didn't lower their RPI enough. Playing the toughest teams has it's ups and downs even if you lose some of them. I know we won't get a home / away vs. Vandy, Fl, and KY, but I'd much rather play them than not. Teams get a lot more credit playing the tougher teams in basketball than most sports. You can really get penalized by playing a weak Auburn than KY, Vandy, or FL
 
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Florida is not really a rival. Only because of their recent success is Florida on UT's basketball radar. UK and Vandy, And I think UT should play them both twice a year.
 
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PACKERVOL said:
Because that's what Coach Martin is "assuming" in the article.
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I don't have a gvx account, is that all it really had?

Martin assuming 18 game schedule, with vandy as the only home/away every year, and well play the other 12 every year, and rotate 4 different teams every year(so playing them twice)??

So:
2 vs vandy
12 vs the rest
4 vs sec teams we've already played

=18 game schedule?
 
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johnnybravo said:
Bama went 12-4 in the SEC and didn't get into the NCAA tourney 2 years ago because their non conference was too weak and had too many cupcakes that they played in the SEC west that didn't lower their RPI enough. Playing the toughest teams has it's ups and downs even if you lose some of them. I know we won't get a home / away vs. Vandy, Fl, and KY, but I'd much rather play them than not. Teams get a lot more credit playing the tougher teams in basketball than most sports. You can really get penalized by playing a weak Auburn than KY, Vandy, or FL
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Bingo their non conference was horrible. It appears Martin will schedule a much better OOC schedule than bama had that year. With a good OOC schedule, and a good record, you'll make the dance even only playing ky, UF and vandy once.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I don't have a gvx account, is that all it really had?

Martin assuming 18 game schedule, with vandy as the only home/away every year, and well play the other 12 every year, and rotate 4 different teams every year(so playing them twice)??

So:
2 vs vandy
12 vs the rest
4 vs sec teams we've already played

=18 game schedule?
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I would like to see the conference adopt the old model the NFL used when determining who those last 4 games are against. Since all other things are equal (except the 1 rivalry game), UK should have the toughest 4 games against repeat oponents and South Carolina and Auburn should have the easiest. It wouldn't be the difficult to come up with a matrix that showed who played whom based on finish the year before.
 
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zansdad said:
I would like to see the conference adopt the old model the NFL used when determining who those last 4 games are against. Since all other things are equal (except the 1 rivalry game), UK should have the toughest 4 games against repeat oponents and South Carolina and Auburn should have the easiest. It wouldn't be the difficult to come up with a matrix that showed who played whom based on finish the year before.
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Not a bad idea, but then again why should you be punished for being the best the previous year. Say we are the best but are senior laden and return very few, now we have a tough path anyways because of youth, plus the toughest schedule. I think going just completely random every year and alternating those every 2 years is the fairest.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Bingo their non conference was horrible. It appears Martin will schedule a much better OOC schedule than bama had that year. With a good OOC schedule, and a good record, you'll make the dance even only playing ky, UF and vandy once.
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It's a mixture of both. Not just OOC. It was a factor of an extremely bad SEC west that couldn't help recover a bad OOC. You screw up early in the year and don't have enough quality opponents to help rebound then you are screwed. Basically, where we were last year. We wouldn't have even been in any NCAA talks if we hadn't beaten FL twice and Vandy once. You replace one FL win and take the 2nd Vandy game away from us and replace those 2 wins with SC or Auburn then we are no where near the NCAA bubble.

NCAA RPI system screws you for playing easier teams and helps playing the better teams in conference or out of conference.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
The win vs Vanderbilt didn't do jack for our rpi.
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Vandy had the second highest RPI in the league under 20. Might not have had a significant jump since it was at the end of the year and at home, but you replace that win with a win against Auburn who had an RPI around 150, then you will see a difference. We don't get in the national bubble talk unless we get the win over a very good Vandy team. Beating Auburn wouldn't have had no where near the same impact.

Again, in college basketball you get screwed by playing the weaker teams. It doesn't matter if they are out of conference or not. That's why Pearl fought so hard to get the SEC tourney realigned to seat the teams by total wins instead of top two in each division. We were actually getting screwed in our RPI ranking and potential NCAA seating by having to play a crappy SEC team with a terrible RPI on the first day.
 
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Well to start with Tennessee needs to get some good players. Then let's play Kentucky 3 times a year. Until we bring out talent lever up it will always be the same.
 
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rickyyrs said:
Well to start with Tennessee needs to get some good players. Then let's play Kentucky 3 times a year. Until we bring out talent lever up it will always be the same.
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I would bet the house that we beat them in TBA this year. I would bet the house that we lose to them at RUPP this year. It would suck not to have them at home this year.
 
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