Tennessee bill would make following Shariah a felony

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Should Muslim businesses be allowed to refuse service to Jews and those with dogs (like blind people)?

Making Sharia illegal and then allowing exceptions would probably be more logical than the other way around.

If you're going to allow Sharia law for Muslims then why not allow FLDS their bigamy?
 
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therealUT said:
You are making a vast generalization that Sunni and Wahhabi fundamentalists makeup the whole of Islam.

For much of Islam, outside of the Arab states (exceptions: the UAE and Afghanistan and Pakistan), there is not a desire for Muslim Theocracy.
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That simply isn't true.

Iran is an exception, the people are Persian not Arab and the rulers are shiite.

Indonesia, Kenya, Nigeria have problems with islamists demanding sharia also, then there is Bosnia and Kosovo in the Balkans and even in England, France and Germany there is a militant minority who demand and receive the right to practice sharia in areas they dominate.

Practically every country in the world has a problem with this whether it is minor or major.

Even Iraq which we fought to 'liberate' has sharia law codified into it's donstitution.

It is a worldwide problem that needs to be addressed locally before it is too late.
 
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azVolFan said:
Should Muslim businesses be allowed to refuse service to Jews and those with dogs (like blind people)?

Making Sharia illegal and then allowing exceptions would probably be more logical than the other way around.

If you're going to allow Sharia law for Muslims then why not allow FLDS their bigamy?
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1. Yes. Business proprietors should be able to pick and choose whom they wish to conduct business with. Restaurants, bars, and nightclubs seem to be able to choose clientele based on appearance and dress.

2. Why not? As long as women are of age and consenting, I see no problem with polygamy, bigamy, polyamory, etc.
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gsvol said:
That simply isn't true.

Iran is an exception, the people are Persian not Arab and the rulers are shiite.

Indonesia, Kenya, Nigeria have problems with islamists demanding sharia also, then there is Bosnia and Kosovo in the Balkans and even in England, France and Germany there is a militant minority who demand and receive the right to practice sharia in areas they dominate.

Practically every country in the world has a problem with this whether it is minor or major.

Even Iraq which we fought to 'liberate' has sharia law codified into it's donstitution.

It is a worldwide problem that needs to be addressed locally before it is too late.
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Aside from the Ayatollah and the President, the vast majority of citizens in Iran take the Koran as open to interpretation...just like the rest of the Shia. This is why science and equal education for men and women continue to prosper in Iran.

The very recent status of Persia as anti-Semetic and anti-American can be traced back to Khomeni's personal desire to consolidate all of Islam under his authority.
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therealUT said:
1. Yes. Business proprietors should be able to pick and choose whom they wish to conduct business with. Restaurants, bars, and nightclubs seem to be able to choose clientele based on appearance and dress.

2. Why not? As long as women are of age and consenting, I see no problem with polygamy, bigamy, polyamory, etc.
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:thumbsup: thanks for posting it first
 
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therealUT said:
1. Yes. Business proprietors should be able to pick and choose whom they wish to conduct business with. Restaurants, bars, and nightclubs seem to be able to choose clientele based on appearance and dress.

2. Why not? As long as women are of age and consenting, I see no problem with polygamy, bigamy, polyamory, etc.
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1. I don't believe in discrimination, so can't agree with you on this one.

2. As long as the actions you take don't hurt other people, go for it. Most of them are living on welfare and food stamps so that would need to stop.
 
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azVolFan said:
You're arguing that discrimination is good and just? I'm confused. I'm floored actually.
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I asked if it could be done right now

and you don't think a privately-owned business has a right to choose its customers?
 
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utvolpj said:
I asked if it could be done right now

and you don't think a privately-owned business has a right to choose its customers?
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I choose my customers all the time but it never has anything to do with race, age, creed, sexuality, etc.

Go open a restaurant and put a sign out front that says "No Jews". Let's see how long that lasts. 5 minutes?
 
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azVolFan said:
I choose my customers all the time but it never has anything to do with race, age, creed, sexuality, etc.

Go open a restaurant and put a sign out front that says "No Jews". Let's see how long that lasts. 5 minutes?
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but you do discriminate based on something right?

I'll ask again, can businesses do this now?
 
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fl0at said:
Wouldn't Sharia still say such a law banning Sharia was still secondary to Allah's law, and therefore they wouldn't follow it anyway... much like you say they wouldn't follow the current laws already on the books?
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Sure. That does not mean that the law does not make sense.

It makes sense for the same reason the conspiracy and racketeering laws make sense. If you allow groups with known unlawful goals to set up shop... it is more difficult to stop them effectively when they break the law.
 
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fl0at said:
Wouldn't Sharia still say such a law banning Sharia was still secondary to Allah's law, and therefore they wouldn't follow it anyway... much like you say they wouldn't follow the current laws already on the books?

If that is the case, then we must ask why we need the law in the first place?

Either it will be followed, and you seem to think the other laws wouldn't be, or it will not be followed, in which case it is a pointless law and is merely pandering and "feel good" legislation.
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We need the law in the first place so they cannot establish enclaves where shria law is dominate and sharia courts established and so that sharia laws cannot be introduced into our own courtrooms.

Remember sharia is a civil and economic as well as criminal code.









utvolpj said:
neither make me nervous because neither will ever happen in my lifetime. This is just more "Muslims are evil" pandering to get votes.

There are laws in this country and if they break them they will be prosecuted. Pretty simple really and no need to duplicate efforts and waste tax dollars
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Do you have children??

Do you expet to have grandchildren??

What of them after you have gone on??

The main reason is to address shria complaints before the become widespread and endless.

One of the best reasons for these types of laws is it prevents sharia law being introduced into our courtrooms before it happens.
 
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therealUT said:
You are making a vast generalization that Sunni and Wahhabi fundamentalists makeup the whole of Islam.

For much of Islam, outside of the Arab states (exceptions: the UAE and Afghanistan and Pakistan), there is not a desire for Muslim Theocracy.
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No. I am simply recognizing what Sharia has done in application. Can you point to a society where Sharia was accepted by the majority where the gov't is not theocratic?
 
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BTW, it is also illegal IIRC to run an unofficial justice system apart from our system with the power to execute people.
 
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utvolpj said:
but you do discriminate based on something right?

I'll ask again, can businesses do this now?
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You're trying to get me to say that the laws on the books are adequate. Muslims being treated as a special class of citizen is not out of the realm of possibility. It's just not.
 
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gsvol said:
One of the best reasons for these types of laws is it prevents sharia law being introduced into our courtrooms before it happens.
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this has nothing to do with courtrooms since Sharia is not part of the legal code. If they break US law they will be prosecuted.

Be careful, your ridiculous fear of all things Muslim is showing
 
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azVolFan said:
You're trying to get me to say that the laws on the books are adequate. Muslims being treated as a special class of citizen is not out of the realm of possibility. It's just not.
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I was just asking a simple question which you don't want to answer.

the rest is based on what? What precedent do you have to show this will happen? It would take some huge changes to even make this a possibility
 
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utvolpj said:
this has nothing to do with courtrooms since Sharia is not part of the legal code. If they break US law they will be prosecuted.

Be careful, your ridiculous fear of all things Muslim is showing
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It will be once one single judge allows it. Fear of Sharia is not the same as the fear of Muslims.
 
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sjt18 said:
No. I am simply recognizing what Sharia has done in application. Can you point to a society where Sharia was accepted by the majority where the gov't is not theocratic?
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Pakistan, Jordan, Lebanon, Yemen, the UAE, Kuwait, Iraq, Turkey, Morocco.

While these are certainly Muslim countries they are not theocracies. It would be as if stating that since America is a Christian nation, with laws based on Judeo-Christian tenets, it is a theocracy.
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