Tennessee bill would make following Shariah a felony

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therealUT said:
Pakistan, Jordan, Lebanon, Yemen, the UAE, Kuwait, Iraq, Turkey, Morocco.

While these are certainly Muslim countries they are not theocracies. It would be as if stating that since America is a Christian nation, with laws based on Judeo-Christian tenets, it is a theocracy.
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I am not sure about Lebanon and Morocco but am pretty sure that everyone of the other countries either has a blasphemy law that prohibits things like conversion to another religion or else allows private groups to enforce them with impugnity.

All with the exception of those two officially recognize Islam as the "true religion" to the exclusion of others and grants different rights to muslims and non-muslims.

The other two may as well. I just don't know.
 
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utvolpj said:
but you do discriminate based on something right?

I'll ask again, can businesses do this now?
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Fine, I'll take the bait....

I discriminate as much as McDonalds does when someone orders $5 worth of food and they only have $4.
 
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#53
Everyone discriminates. It is a shame that the word has been made dirty by the PC police.
 
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therealUT said:
Aside from the Ayatollah and the President, the vast majority of citizens in Iran take the Koran as open to interpretation...just like the rest of the Shia. This is why science and equal education for men and women continue to prosper in Iran.

The very recent status of Persia as anti-Semetic and anti-American can be traced back to Khomeni's personal desire to consolidate all of Islam under his authority.
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The reality is that the vast majority has to live under and abide by the interpretation of shria by the mullahs.

Another point is that Christians, Buddhists, Bahains, Zoroastrians and other non-moslems do NOT have equal rights under the law.

That is one of the main reasons sharia exists, to enforce moslem doctrine on everyone.
 
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azVolFan said:
Like a jacket and tie? "no shoes, no shirt, no service"? Yes.

"No beanies, no burka" - No.
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so you can't tell people hats aren't allowed in an establishment or that you must be dressed a certain way?
 
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#59
No ski mask? yes

No full length burka to keep your woman in check and let her know her role? NO
 
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utvolpj said:
so you can't tell people hats aren't allowed in an establishment or that you must be dressed a certain way?
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Oh you can. the club I worked at had dress code. Shirt had to have a collar and you couldn't wear hats. No gang crap either.

We had a Muslim come in one day who was doing business and he had some woman with him in a burka. They were allowed in. Not worth the ACLU lawsuit and such.
 
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utvolpj said:
this has nothing to do with courtrooms since Sharia is not part of the legal code. If they break US law they will be prosecuted.

Be careful, your ridiculous fear of all things Muslim is showing
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No, it is your ignorance and/or stupidity that is sticking out like a sore thumb.

In several states moslems have brought up sharia law in American courtrooms, in at least one case a liberal NY judge ruled in favor of the moslem citing 'sharia' being has religious rights.

Oklahoma passed a state constitutional amendment supported by 77% of Oklahomans that outlawed any sharia law be introduced in a state court but islamic groups challenged that in court and a Clintonista judge ruled in federal court that the amendment was unconstitutional under the US Constitution.

That particular case is making it's way though the court system an probably will be heard by the US Supreme Court, in which one case, Kagan, will undoubtedly rule in favor of the moslems since she is on record as being in favor of international laws and specificicazslly cited sharia law be included in deliberations in American courts.

You actually need to bone up a bit on the facts before you accuse anyone fo having ridiciulous fears when you are dead to rights wrong in your statement.

Sharia, I repeat, is civil as well as criminal and includes financial transactions etc, as a matter of fact it includes every aspect of life.
 
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NEOCON said:
Oh you can. the club I worked at had dress code. Shirt had to have a collar and you couldn't wear hats. No gang crap either.

We had a Muslim come in one day who was doing business and he had some woman with him in a burka. They were allowed in. Not worth the ACLU lawsuit and such.
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so you can legally discriminate and the only reason you wouldn't actually enforce the rule was for fear of being sued or the people chose who they wanted as a customer/business associate. Like Americans don't sue on a whim anyway?
 
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utvolpj said:
so you can legally discriminate and the only reason you wouldn't actually enforce the rule was for fear of being sued. Like Americans don't sue on a whim anyway?
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Ok, here's those goofy ideas I was talking about.

How is having a dress code discriminating?
 
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gsvol said:
The reality is that the vast majority has to live under and abide by the interpretation of shria by the mullahs.

Another point is that Christians, Buddhists, Bahains, Zoroastrians and other non-moslems do NOT have equal rights under the law.

That is one of the main reasons sharia exists, to enforce moslem doctrine on everyone.
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As in America, those who do not prescribe to Judeo-Christian tenets do not have equal rights: homosexuals, polygamists, gamblers, prostitutes, drinkers, etc., etc. ad infinitum.

Also, there were laws against blasphemy in many states up until the 20th Century...was America a theocracy then?
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utvolpj said:
so you can't tell people hats aren't allowed in an establishment or that you must be dressed a certain way?
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Did you go to UTK? Do you remember O'Charley's on the strip and how they made you tuck in your shirt and not wear a hat? I hated that but it was their right. There were lots of bars on the strip that I could have gone to instead. O'Charley's had the hottest girls at the time.

You sure can have a dress code and I'm telling you that you're not going to be able to keep a dress code that is aimed at one particular group of people who's group is a religion. It's just not going to happen. Go ahead and try. Good luck to you.
 
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NEOCON said:
GSvol is 100% correct on this.
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actually no but it's not worth the effort to argue with someone so scared

NEOCON said:
Ok, here's those goofy ideas I was talking about.

How is having a dress code discrimanting?
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you are choosing who you will do business with which was the original point of this discussion.

You do insurance right? Ever turn anyone down for coverage or at least make them pay a higher rate?
 
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azVolFan said:
Did you go to UTK? Do you remember O'Charley's on the strip and how they made you tuck in your shirt and not wear a hat? I hated that but it was their right. There were lots of bars on the strip that I could have gone to instead. O'Charley's had the hottest girls at the time.

You sure can have a dress code and I'm telling you that you're not going to be able to keep a dress code that is aimed at one particular group of people who's group is a religion. It's just not going to happen. Go ahead and try. Good luck to you.
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yes I did and don't remember those rules (must be after my time). Just who do you think a "no baggy pants or gang colors" reg is aimed at? Frat guys?
 
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therealUT said:
As in America, those who do not prescribe to Judeo-Christian tenets do not have equal rights: homosexuals, polygamists, gamblers, prostitutes, drinkers, etc., etc. ad infinitum.

Also, there were laws against blasphemy in many states up until the 20th Century...was America a theocracy then?
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I guarantee the law didn't start off with "The bible says ... "

I don't like blue laws either. Here in AZ, alcohol is sold in the grocery store and there are no limits on Sunday whatsoever. The dominate religions here are LDS and Catholic for what that's worth.
 
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azVolFan said:
I guarantee the law didn't start off with "The bible says ... "

I don't like blue laws either. Here in AZ, alcohol is sold in the grocery store and there are no limits on Sunday whatsoever. The dominate religions here are LDS and Catholic for what that's worth.
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heck you can buy Jack at the 7-11. It was wonderful
 
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utvolpj said:
yes I did and don't remember those rules (must be after my time). Just who do you think a "no baggy pants or gang colors" reg is aimed at? Frat guys?
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What religion wears baggy pants and gang colors? :p

They most likely had issues that caused them to have those rules and so the law could be justified in court but only after they had issues (or other restaurants had issues which set the precedence). If they adopted the rules without justification then I would think a judge would rule against them.
 
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utvolpj said:
actually no but it's not worth the effort to argue with someone so scared



you are choosing who you will do business with which was the original point of this discussion.

You do insurance right? Ever turn anyone down for coverage or at least make them pay a higher rate?
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I turn people down in my agencies all the time. Each book of business underwritten by a compnay has rules approved by the state. The best books do not allow for bad drivers. My offices only deal in commercial and good customers. We tell people no all day long. We also rate based on credit, age, where you live, and gender. All are legal. Also, if you can name the insurance company I represent them. They're all the same.
 
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the point is that I believe as a private business I should have the right to serve the customers I choose. It already happens to an extent. The public domain is different

azVolFan said:
And at 3:30am on Saturday night! It's pretty sweet.
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I agree but it sure made for some long nights
 
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