Tennessee defensive rankings

#51
#51
Historically, with these high scoring/fast paced offenses, defensive stats are traditionally higher than lower scoring teams. This was a huge issue in the Big 12 with Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, etc. over the past 15 years or so. In the end, all that matters is can you hold the other team to fewer points than you can score. Either way, to me the game is a lot more fun to watch when at least one team is high scoring. Tennessee is a lot of fun to watch.
 
#54
#54
I think when you are looking at a defense that is on the field as much as ours due to our style of offense, the most telling stats to look at are Opponent Points Per Play and Opponent Yards Per Play. Those metrics put us on a level playing field with teams that play a much slower pace. The defense doesn't look nearly as bad through this lens (and conversely our offense isn't quite as dominant though still top 10). We're number 18 in the NCAA if you look at Opponent Points Per Play and number 44 in Opponent Yards Per Play. I tried to put the table in my post, but it was a mess. Here's a link:

College Football Stats - College FB Team Opponent Points per Play | TeamRankings.com

As mentioned metrics per play or possession are the only meaningful stats. Per game stats don’t normalize the data for the number of possessions which are much higher due to our scoring. TV announcers that quote our pass defense yards per game mislead the audience.
With RPO plays teams do much better between the 20’s than in the past. Red zone efficiency is also an important metric.
Basketball has gotten much better at quoting efficiency numbers. Football needs to move the discussion more to efficiency numbers like basketball.
 
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#55
#55
I think yards per game is kind of worthless. Should be looking at scoring, defensive stop rate, yards per play, turnovers, and points per possession.
 
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#56
#56
There are issues with the defense but I think they have taken significant strides under Banks.

Far too soon to be pulling the plug on him and he probably deserves more credit than he has been receiving based on the improvement from Year 1 to Year 2. JMO.[/I]
There was no serious consideration for removing the coordinator or defensive back coach. That was a fringe group of radicals who needed their phones impounded.
 
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#57
#57
How much of the rush defense improving is due to us getting a lead and forcing teams to pass the ball?
Very little (which is shown in yards per rush, as opposed to rush yards per game). The run defense has to do with the front seven standing up and not getting wrecked. In particular, reference the second half against UGA. They wanted to run away and hide, but our defense did not let them. They struggled for that last rushing first down to put the game away. Look to the actual players on the field for your answers. Our kids are playing well in year two. Now is when we add the talent through recruiting. GoVols.
 
#58
#58
Very little (which is shown in yards per rush, as opposed to rush yards per game). The run defense has to do with the front seven standing up and not getting wrecked. In particular, reference the second half against UGA. They wanted to run away and hide, but our defense did not let them. They struggled for that last rushing first down to put the game away. Look to the actual players on the field for your answers. Our kids are playing well in year two. Now is when we add the talent through recruiting. GoVols.
Well said
 
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#59
#59
Tennessee's defense hasn't looked great at times, and they've given up a lot of yards, but the Vols currently rank 5th in the SEC in scoring defense (which ultimately is the most important stat of them all) at 21.9 points per game. Considering the tempo that our offense plays with, I think that's solid.

We're also second in the SEC in rushing yards, behind only Georgia.

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I saw a post or tweet earlier in the week that noted this was the best Tennessee scoring defense in several years. Did anyone see that stat or have that post/tweet handy?

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I mentioned our defense played at least as well as Bama's did when we played them. It's true we don't look good on defense at times, but we also make opposing defenses look lost at times as well. You cannot win every time you have the ball. If we see UGA again I think it will be a much different story, I just hope we get the chance.
 
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#60
#60
Very little (which is shown in yards per rush, as opposed to rush yards per game). The run defense has to do with the front seven standing up and not getting wrecked. In particular, reference the second half against UGA. They wanted to run away and hide, but our defense did not let them. They struggled for that last rushing first down to put the game away. Look to the actual players on the field for your answers. Our kids are playing well in year two. Now is when we add the talent through recruiting. GoVols.

I agree. If teams could beat our d-line they would run on us to limit our possessions and tire out our defense. If they are already ahead this ends the game quicker and limits our chances on offense. It also makes their passing game harder to stop since we now have to account more potential plays they are able to use effectively.

Even if they get behind I think maybe they still would want to run the ball quite a bit. If they can score on sustained drives and tax our defense, then when they do score their own defense should be fresher than when we are getting stops. Especially given our depth issues on defense it seems like that could let some of our deeper opponents make it much harder on us in the late 3rd and the 4th quarters.

I know we score so fast that our defense plays a lot anyway, but it would be even harder on them if teams could run on us consistently. Maybe time or possession is something we don’t need to win but being on with 25 minutes to 35 is much different than for example last year’s Kentucky game. We won that game, but it was more challenging than is ideal.

Stopping us is hard even when defenses are fresh, but fewer possessions should mean fewer times they have to do it, and with defenders who should be better positioned to do so later on than ones who had to defend against our offense more possessions because they couldn’t keep their own on the field.

At some point if they are still behind late in the game, or somehow we get ahead enough (maybe via turnovers or some timely stops in the red zone) even though they are limiting our offensive possessions and otherwise finishing drives with points, strategy has to change of course.

Keeping it relatively lower scoring and consistently running the ball to open up their offense and limit our possessions seems to make conditions more favorable as the game goes on for them to make up ground.

The less stressful way that this can happen is they could make up ground slow and steadily by scoring at the end of their drives and getting a stop here and there. Teams have been able to get back into games with us despite our early often substantial leads if they can get a few stops. This is even with largely good run defense on our part. Turnovers we have been really good about, but that could work too if they could get us off the field or even score defensively.

If they are still behind and have to start scoring quicker late in the game and abandon the run somewhat because they are working against the clock, then their earlier ability to run effectively and the discipline to do so should still help them be able to do that than if we were possessing the ball more and defending less like we have all year since hardly anyone has been able to run effectively.

Our defensive line deserves all the credit they’ve gotten and probably a lot more besides. If opponents could run effectively against us, I think we would have lost at least a few more games than just Georgia.

The offensive line too has been solid, and is a big reason we are scoring so readily. Our own run game might not get as much attention as the big pass plays but it has been really solid this year. Protection has likewise looked a lot better than last year.

Really Georgia, and maybe Pitt somewhat have been the only team who has made our offense struggle at all and while we did look worse than normal we still played well enough up front against Georgia that there were enough opportunities to make plays we failed to make that if we had made them the whole game complexion would have been different. Maybe we lose anyway but it would have been very competitive.
 
#62
#62
Vols played Bama and Bama scored about like the Vols do.

Bama’s O does score about 41 per game on average and Tennessee gave up 42 to them.

At the time Bama’s D was giving up less than 12 per game and Tennessee scored 52 on them.

They gained 1 point over their average and gave up 40 points over their average.
 
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#64
#64
Modern day defenses go the way their corners go. We have been banged up at corner all year. The attrition with Burrell out for the season, Haddon out several games, Charles nicked up, has gotten us to Turnage and Slaughter. These two guys look atheletic enough to play the position and are coming into their own. The front 7 have been strong all year and our safety play with Flowers and McCollough has been SEC better than average. If Banks sees enough in Turnage and Slaughter to leave them on an island on the outside this defense can be really good. We've only been burned badly a few times lately, that double move at Georgia Turnage bit on that cost us a TD being the most egregious. Nothing wrong with breaking on that first move, that's how pick sixes happen, but you better have safety help over the top if you miss. The best thing about this defense is they keep getting better game by game which I'm sure is one of the primary goals the team has set for themselves.
 
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