Tennessee Leadership better pay attention to Coaching Salaries

#26
#26
Come back with another big season next year he will be in the 8 to 9 million range. He just accepted a million dollar raise to 5 million so I don't think he is upset at what he is getting. I agree another big year he'll have to be boosted to at least top three in the SEC.
 
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UneducatedGuess said:
If I told you to guess where Heupels salary ranked in the SEC, at $5M per year, where would you guess?

It is 11th out of the current 14 SEC teams

It is 13th out of the future 16 SEC teams

That…has to change if Tennessee is serious about keeping Josh Heupel.

As much as Coach may love Knoxville, the prospects of doubling your salary isn’t something you want creeping in the back of your mind.

Now, I see no signs that Tennessee wouldn’t be responsive. We did in fact give him $1M raise last summer.

But…I can’t help but think of how tight Tennessee has been with its purse strings in previous attempts to land future head coaches.

Given what we have, given the fact that we have leadership in place that seems aligned, here’s hoping they have paid attention to the market where revenues are flowing higher, TV contracts are higher, and therefore are realizing that supporting a higher salary is more justifiable.

Anyhow, here’s the data
  1. Saban - $10.9M ($43M buyout)
  2. Smart - $10.3M ($103M buyout)
  3. Kelly - $9.8M ($79M buyout)
  4. Jimbo - $9M ($86M buyout)
  5. Kiffin - $9M
  6. Stoops - $8.6M
  7. Napier - $7.2M ($39M buyout)
  8. Pittman - $6M
  9. Leach - $5.5M
  10. Auburn - ?? (Was $5.1M)
  11. Heupel - $5M ($26M buyout)
  12. Drinkwitz - $4M ($9M buyout)
  13. Clark Lea - $3.8M
  14. Beamer - $2.8M ($5.5M buyout)
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I could definitely see a bump to the 7-mil range. Don’t forget he’ll cash in some performance bonuses as well
 
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Please everyone, skip the Walmart Black Friday weekend sale until you get these important observations to Danny White. He’s probably been distracted for the last six months and hasn’t thought at all about his most important task as AD.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
Or we could just hire Beamer away for $3 M

The first 6 are what had to be paid to keep them and/or lure them to campus. We are currently 7th in the expanded SEC in terms of recruiting rankings.
And a case can always be made that where you are recruiting today is where you will be 3 o 4 years from now.

CJH is a good guy, a super smart coach and we ( the fan base ) love him and vice versa. Don't know if you represent him, want to know where to donate money to retain him, or what, but we have recently retained both
a pretty good basketball coach and a pretty fair baseball coach when others came sniffing around. This AD seems to know what to do and how to handle these sorts of things and am sure he will handle the bump and
secure his coach at the appropriate time.

I can't help but chuckle at all the people that were constantly on here wanting us to bump Coach Fulmer's pay before someone snatched him away. Then he was let go and hired by ________. Let the AD do his job, it's kind of
what he gets paid the big bucks for. I really think we have little worry here as the current administration also understands business and the importance of having the right people leading the programs. It really is an exciting
time to be part of the Vol family.
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Ad during the Fulmer years was not competent.
 
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To add to the thought, everyone saying that the salaries are “insane” or out of control.

Currently, SEC schools get $55M in TV revenue per year.

Projections are that number goes to $100M per year in TV revenue in 2028.

Data firm projects SEC schools topping $100 million in annual revenue by end of decade

SECs new contract in 2024 goes to $3B.

Just have to accept that salaries are rising, but net revenues are rising even faster.

I think Heupel is a top coach in the SEC currently. I wouldn’t mind seeing him move to $7M-$8M with an increase cost to him if he takes another job and leaves Tennessee.

In the salaries, the greatest risk is Jimbo and Kirby and Kelly. Not because of their annual salary costs, but because the schools cannot fire them without significant financial costs.

Go Vols, outside of a single game, the greatest effort I’ve seen a Tennessee put out in 25 years.

The future is bright
 
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UneducatedGuess said:
If the AD was the final say on salaries…as I said…I have hope given our recent leadership changes…but past Tennessee leadership (President, Chancellor) were tight and whiny
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But not this one. Plowman and Boyd took heat for Pruitt and Fulmer raises/extensions before the purge. Doesn’t include the $900 k Kevin Steele for maybe a month’s “work”. This is a non-issue.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
Or we could just hire Beamer away for $3 M

The first 6 are what had to be paid to keep them and/or lure them to campus. We are currently 7th in the expanded SEC in terms of recruiting rankings.
And a case can always be made that where you are recruiting today is where you will be 3 o 4 years from now.

CJH is a good guy, a super smart coach and we ( the fan base ) love him and vice versa. Don't know if you represent him, want to know where to donate money to retain him, or what, but we have recently retained both
a pretty good basketball coach and a pretty fair baseball coach when others came sniffing around. This AD seems to know what to do and how to handle these sorts of things and am sure he will handle the bump and
secure his coach at the appropriate time.

I can't help but chuckle at all the people that were constantly on here wanting us to bump Coach Fulmer's pay before someone snatched him away. Then he was let go and hired by ________. Let the AD do his job, it's kind of
what he gets paid the big bucks for. I really think we have little worry here as the current administration also understands business and the importance of having the right people leading the programs. It really is an exciting
time to be part of the Vol family.
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You think the fans need to donate money for higher salaries? Get your head out of the sand. This school is going to double its revenues from TV alone in the coming years.

Data firm projects SEC schools topping $100 million in annual revenue by end of decade
 
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Imagine being Old Miss and having to pay that much for a coach that got you 8-4 OA, 4-4 in conference and lost the last 3 games. And Miss. State with the same record. I remember tons of comments on this site from fans screaming we missed it not going after Leach/Kiffin for 2nd time.
 
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rdk4121 said:
He certainly deserves to be paid more than Stoops given he just whipped him. He'll get 9 million or so. I don't think we'll really need to worry about that.

Also, Florida really paid Napier 7.2 million to lose to Vandy and go 6-6? That's rough.
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So, if UK have Stoops 15 million, Heupel should be paid more? Not sure how UK doing something stupid means we should just abandon all sanity.
 
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It is a balancing act to be honest. Whatever you pay a coach is what they get win or lose. It would make better sense to build in objectives that trigger significant bonus amounts around number of wins, positions in the league, bowl appearances, recruiting success etc.

Totally get that when compared to some of these he is not paid enough - but some of them are way over paid.
 
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Allvols1996 said:
So, if UK have Stoops 15 million, Heupel should be paid more? Not sure how UK doing something stupid means we should just abandon all sanity.
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Just look at the salaries in the SEC. If you want a big time coach you have to pay big time money. We could probably go out and get Dooley again if we want to only pay 3 million. 9 million would still only be barely top 5.
 
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Allvols1996 said:
No, really. Over 8 mil for Stoops? 9mil for Kiffin? That’s insane.
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Ole Miss is an all time 52% winning program. Kiffin is winning at 65% thru 3 seasons. As long as he’s winning 8-10 games per year, he’s betting the program’s all time average by a big clip. Of course they would pay up to keep him. The price would cost more if he left and they had to go thru more coaches who may or may not win there.

Stoops has been Kentucky’s coach for a decade. The money they have saved by not having to hire multiple coaches or buyouts for firings is far more than what they are giving him with this extension. Sure it’s a lot of money but in the grand scheme, it’s peanuts
 
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I think 8m after the bowl game should be about right. Depending on next year being a great year, I'd raise it to top 3.
 
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bigorangecrush89 said:
I know it’s a separate discussion, but the coaching salaries are obviously out of control. The vast majority of these coaches are stealing money. Not unlike most CEOs, i guess. I do think CJH is doing a great job so far. Heupel just got a raise earlier this season (after Pitt game i think?), do they usually do multiple raises in the same yeat?
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I also agree that coaching salaries are out of control.

However, I love the football team way too much to be the university be the one that puts its foot down and we end up losing the guy that has brought us out of the wilderness and back into the top 10 at the end of the regular season.

If we are to be competitive in football long term, we have to pay competitive wages.
 
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Allvols1996 said:
Sure, but what Stoops and Kiffin are making is ludicrous. The only way to compete is to abandon all fiscal responsibility
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Well that settles it… bring back Butch or another coach like him because if we don’t pay competitive wages then we might as well give up any aspirations of staying in the Top 10 long term. If you want to succeed at the top level, you HAVE TO BE willing to gamble and sacrifice.
 
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How would you feel if he left now for another school? What would it take to get another coach of his caliber to come here if he left? These answers determine how much you pay him.

I think we will be paying him $10M to $11M with a low buyout OR $8.5M to $10M with a big buyout. All of this talk at $7M or $8M is bush league talk if you really think about the questions above.
 
#46
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K-town Vol Fan said:
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That’s national championship money.

At least let him win the east before paying him that much money.

Ole Miss just got played by kiffin. No way he he is in the same class with the top 4 at this point in his career.

Saban, Smart, and Fisher have all won National Championship. Kelly has been in the CFP 3 times and just won the west.

I think 6-7 would be fair market value at this point.
 
#47
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loservol said:
Probably for the best to take a wait and see next season approach before giving him a new contract. My problem with new contracts, is the guaranteed money the university won't have if things go south. If he makes the playoffs, then he definitely deserves a new contract.
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Yep, I agree give him a big bump in pay but I’m afraid of long term contracts that commit UT paying him 10’s of million dollars if he’s let go. So far it looks good but let’s wait a while before we give him Sabin contract. Look at tx a&m situation.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Calm down folks. Danny White is Hype’s guy and vice versa. Quit worrying about it. Hype will be taken care along with White.
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Agree. He will be compensated. And if someone comes offering our guy a bunch more money I feel Heupel would talk to DW before taking another gig.
 
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