Tennessee Softball 2023

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DeerPark12 said:
You are confusing revenue generation with turning a profit. Any sport that charges admission, or sales concessions or takes donations can claim that they produce revenue. If that’s the standard you’re trying to use, then every sport at every school generates revenue. But what they do not do is turn a profit. Again, outside of football and men’s basketball, less than 10 sports in the entire country were revenue positive for their schools. That’s directly from the NCAA. None of them were at Vanderbilt.
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Just out of curiosity, how many are SEC baseball?
 
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TouchOfGrey said:
Just saw Jenna’s hospital bed post on instagram. Another torn labrum and rotator cuff! That’s three of these pictures this year, too many! Wishing her a speedy and successful recovery!
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It’s more common than you think. When my daughter had hers a few years back, her surgeon told us if they did an MRI on the team majority would have one. Either shoulder or hip. The rotator cuff/bicep is a different dynamic when it’s damaged too.
 
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Majors said:
I just read start her masters in her area of concentration, didn’t say Tennessee. Although she will again do the VolLeader program this summer so the possibility is still there.
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I will make this blanket obversation : I have seen many many softball teams this year and from top to bottom there is not a more attractive team anywhere with the skills and looks of our LVS.....
 
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Majors said:
It’s more common than you think. When my daughter had hers a few years back, her surgeon told us if they did an MRI on the team majority would have one. Either shoulder or hip. The rotator cuff/bicep is a different dynamic when it’s damaged too.
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Raven Chavanne played with one her entire junior year here
 
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DeerPark12 said:
You are confusing revenue generation with turning a profit. Any sport that charges admission, or sales concessions or takes donations can claim that they produce revenue. If that’s the standard you’re trying to use, then every sport at every school generates revenue. But what they do not do is turn a profit. Again, outside of football and men’s basketball, less than 10 sports in the entire country were revenue positive for their schools. That’s directly from the NCAA. None of them were at Vanderbilt.
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I think folks are confusing accounting gymnastics with actual profitability.

Universities have to find a way balance the books for all of their sports. Otherwise, expenses, salaries, equipment, etc. wouldn’t get paid. The University has to find the money to do this.

One way to create the needed money is through booster donations. Another way is through revenue generated by the given sport (tickets, merch, etc.). And when there is still a shortfall as in most non-revenue sports, the last resort is through “robbing Peter to pay Paul” accounting practices in which the accountants take just enough of a general revenue source (like the SEC Network deal) and apportion it to cover the outstanding expenses in the given sport.

So, at the end of the day, the books for Sport X show that the sport broke even or had a slight “profit.” Even though the sport itself didn’t generate all of the necessary revenue to cover its expenses.
 
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RebKell said:
Why? what is the big deal about turf infield?
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The ball bounces very differently off of a turf infield than it does a dirt infield. I won’t say it’s never going to be changed, because you never say never, but it is specifically banned in the NCAA postseason bid manual. If a turf infield was allowed, a lot more potential sites would be on the radar for the World Series, because you could just roll turf on 90% of the baseball fields out there. But I don’t expect that to change.
 
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EZE said:
I think folks are confusing accounting gymnastics with actual profitability.

Universities have to find a way balance the books for all of their sports. Otherwise, expenses, salaries, equipment, etc. wouldn’t get paid. The University has to find the money to do this.

One way to create the needed money is through booster donations. Another way is through revenue generated by the given sport (tickets, merch, etc.). And when there is still a shortfall as in most non-revenue sports, the last resort is through “robbing Peter to pay Paul” accounting practices in which the accountants take just enough of a general revenue source (like the SEC Network deal) and apportion it to cover the outstanding expenses in the given sport.

So, at the end of the day, the books for Sport X show that the sport broke even or had a slight “profit.” Even though the sport itself didn’t generate all of the necessary revenue to cover its expenses.
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I negotiate and write contracts for a living, and I don’t know any college athletics department that does accounting the way you described. Coaching salaries, scholarships, all of that come out of a general fund, there’s not a team by team profit and loss statement typically.

Public schools have to report all expenses and profits and disclose them in a public annual report, it’s filed with the NCAA and available to media with a freedom of information request. So it’s easy to calculate, but no school actually does their accounting that way.
 
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kregman said:
Karen’s salary was middle of the pack I wondered at the time if she spread some out to have the assistants she has now. If so it has paid off.
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I don’t so, Megan is 105K and Chris is 130K (getting Kate as volunteer asst.) based on the open records. Believe we are in line with asst coaches. But Karen in underpaid compared to those around her, especially with her resume (not updated until recently)
 
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DeerPark12 said:
I negotiate and write contracts for a living, and I don’t know any college athletics department that does accounting the way you described. Coaching salaries, scholarships, all of that come out of a general fund, there’s not a team by team profit and loss statement typically.

Public schools have to report all expenses and profits and disclose them in a public annual report, it’s filed with the NCAA and available to media with a freedom of information request. So it’s easy to calculate, but no school actually does their accounting that way.
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Just one point, a few years ago, the salary of the head coach of Notre Dame's women's basketball program was endowed by individuals (husband and wife). I am pretty sure endowments are kept separate from the general fund. Most athletic programs are subsidized by its football program.
 
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Rixxx said:
Just one point, a few years ago, the salary of the head coach of Notre Dame's women's basketball program was endowed by individuals (husband and wife). I am pretty sure endowments are kept separate from the general fund. Most athletic programs are subsidized by its football program.
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Isn’t ND similar to Vandy in that they are a private institution and not subject to disclosure requirements?
 
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Majors said:
I don’t so, Megan is 105K and Chris is 130K (getting Kate as volunteer asst.) based on the open records. Believe we are in line with asst coaches. But Karen in underpaid compared to those around her, especially with her resume (not updated until recently)
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That changes July 1 when UT can add a 3rd asst. Coach.
 
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