Tennessee Softball 2023

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DeerPark12 said:
I negotiate and write contracts for a living, and I don’t know any college athletics department that does accounting the way you described. Coaching salaries, scholarships, all of that come out of a general fund, there’s not a team by team profit and loss statement typically.

Public schools have to report all expenses and profits and disclose them in a public annual report, it’s filed with the NCAA and available to media with a freedom of information request. So it’s easy to calculate, but no school actually does their accounting that way.
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Then there can’t be any way to determine whether a given sport actually makes a profit or not.
 
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EZE said:
Coaches salaries have to be the biggest expense.
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In some sports. For most, it is travel expenses. Coaching salaries are typically third behind scholarships. Although many scholarships are endowed, so that expense isn’t charged and most schools actually don’t account for scholarships being tied to a specific team, they are just a fixed cost against the department as a whole.

But that’s my point, you can determine whether a sport is profitable just by looking at ticket sales, the only real source of revenue, versus the biggest expense, travel expenses.

I haven’t looked at the numbers reported by the newspaper in a few years, but let’s say that Softball makes $250,000 for the season on ticket revenue. The 70-seat charter plane that appeared in their travel photos from the SEC tournament is $100,000 minimum round-trip. Not to mention the 20 hotel rooms for three or four nights, plus all of the food. They probably exceeded what they brought in in ticket sales on just one trip to the conference tournament. Even if I’m wrong on ticket revenue and have it underestimated by half, they took 4 SEC road trips before the tournament, three of those were flights, and they chartered for all of those, based on the social media concept. They posted pictures from the airport for one of the non-conference trips, so I assume they flew commercial for it, which isn’t significantly cheaper.

And it’s like that for every sport. Then you have sports like soccer, tennis, golf, swimming and diving, track and field where are they don’t charge admission for any event, unless they’re hosting an SEC or NCAA championship. So all those sports are traveling to compete, plus meals at home, and never bringing in a penny. That’s where I go back to the original post I disagreed with on Vanderbilt turning a profit on bowling. It’s not mathematically possible.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
In some sports. For most, it is travel expenses. Coaching salaries are typically third behind scholarships. Although many scholarships are endowed, so that expense isn’t charged and most schools actually don’t account for scholarships being tied to a specific team, they are just a fixed cost against the department as a whole.

But that’s my point, you can determine whether a sport is profitable just by looking at ticket sales, the only real source of revenue, versus the biggest expense, travel expenses.

I haven’t looked at the numbers reported by the newspaper in a few years, but let’s say that Softball makes $250,000 for the season on ticket revenue. The 70-seat charter plane that appeared in their travel photos from the SEC tournament is $100,000 minimum round-trip. Not to mention the 20 hotel rooms for three or four nights, plus all of the food. They probably exceeded what they brought in in ticket sales on just one trip to the conference tournament. Even if I’m wrong on ticket revenue and have it underestimated by half, they took 4 SEC road trips before the tournament, three of those were flights, and they chartered for all of those, based on the social media concept. They posted pictures from the airport for one of the non-conference trips, so I assume they flew commercial for it, which isn’t significantly cheaper.

And it’s like that for every sport. Then you have sports like soccer, tennis, golf, swimming and diving, track and field where are they don’t charge admission for any event, unless they’re hosting an SEC or NCAA championship. So all those sports are traveling to compete, plus meals at home, and never bringing in a penny. That’s where I go back to the original post I disagreed with on Vanderbilt turning a profit on bowling. It’s not mathematically possible.
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I get it. It is well known that football, and to a lesser extent basketball, carry athletic departments at nearly every school.
 
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florida state left the SEC to go to the ACC because of increased basketball revenue - a good decision for them at that time.

re Duke, back not to many years ago an article from the then current women's bb coach thanking Coach K for allowing her to use the plane for recruiting. (smile)
 
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stllvf said:
florida state left the SEC to go to the ACC because of increased basketball revenue - a good decision for them at that time.

re Duke, back not to many years ago an article from the then current women's bb coach thanking Coach K for allowing her to use the plane for recruiting. (smile)
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FSU was never in the SEC. They were once an Independent and had a chance to join the SEC but Bobby Bowden nixed it. He knew it was easier to win in the ACC. Bowden openly admitted this a few years ago.
 
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stllvf said:
florida state left the SEC to go to the ACC because of increased basketball revenue - a good decision for them at that time.
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Nope never happened. FSU has never been part of the SEC nor were they ever part of the SEC predecessor the SIAA.

Georgia Tech was part of the SEC but left due to Bear Bryant effectively cheating
 
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Vol67 said:
Nope never happened. FSU has never been part of the SEC nor were they ever part of the SEC predecessor the SIAA.

Georgia Tech was part of the SEC but left due to Bear Bryant effectively cheating
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Tulane used to be a member also. One of the originals.
 
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