Tennessee the new Florida?

#51
#51
Coastypop said:
I am with you on this goat....

I am so sick of Tennessee trying to be like Florida, or Like Bama, or like LSU or like anyone else.... we are Tennessee...we only need to be TENNESSEE and F the rest of the SEC

Let them chase us for a while........:yes:
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So, if the OP had rephrased the original point to say, basically:

"After noting that UT's present philosophy has been successful elsewhere, I have become excited about the "New UT."

You would have agreed?
 
#52
#52
Lawrence Wright said:
Thanks for not caring, yet taking time to click on this thread, read the posts, followed by a response to my post...what better way to show how much you don't care.

Getting back on topic, the spread can work in the SEC, and it will be interesting to see what UT can do with a mobile QB, and piece parts like Howard and Young.
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Silly rabbit. Can the spread work in the SEC...DUH!
GO VOLS!
 
#53
#53
GLDunlap said:
The "spread" has become a cliche for every offense that isn't a traditional pro style. That being the case there are several NFL teams running the spread offense now. I like to say we are going to be running a non traditional pro-style offense. Cincinnati under CBJ has been 60-40 run to pass while we have been the opposite. I know people still call it the spread but it just seems like an outdated term. Zone read is better.
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We have been primarily a passing team out of desperation rather than design.. IMHO.
 
#54
#54
govolzgo said:
My feeling all along has been the SEC East is ripe for a new bully. Let's face it, our team was border-line terrible this year, and we still could have beat Florida, could have beat Georgia, could have beat South Carolina. I know i know ...woulda coulda shoulda. But I guess my point is, just think if we were actually a good team? I think the SEC is ripe for a new coach to come along and take control of this division. Do it Butch!!
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Border-line? Uh..no, we passed that border a few miles back.
 
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#56
Until we can start to recruit again like Florida, UGA, Bama and LSU, we won't catch them. You can talk all you want about scheme and past records of coaches etc... but the fact is we haven't won the SEC or competed nationally since the Fulmer days when he was consistently pulling top 5 classes in each year. Figure out how to close the talent gap and recruit like we used to and the rest will take care of itself!
 
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Orange_Crush said:
So, if the OP had rephrased the original point to say, basically:

"After noting that UT's present philosophy has been successful elsewhere, I have become excited about the "New UT."

You would have agreed?
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Not gonna speak for Coasty but that'd work for me.

Semantics I know...Just hate giving THEM any props.
 
#61
#61
Escape Goat said:
Tennessee is the new Tennessee. No need to bring Florida into this discussion.
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I understand what you are saying but that interpretation evokes images of, yuck, Vanderbilt (i.e. "this isn't your father's [or grandfather's or great-grandfather's . . .] Vanderbilt.") How about simply "Getting back to business, the business of being a consistently strong SEC football program."
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
I understand what you are saying but that interpretation evokes images of, yuck, Vanderbilt (i.e. "this isn't your father's [or grandfather's or great-grandfather's . . .] Vanderbilt.") How about simply "Getting back to business, the business of being a consistently strong SEC football program."
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"By running a read option-based spread, implemented by a coach who has proven himself at lower conferences..."

Oh... Wait...

LOL!

Just joking! Let's go kick some gator, elephant, war-eagle-tiger, bulldog... You get the picture.
 
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#63
In terms of offensive scheme, I really don't care how we achieve success as long as it is within the legal parameters dictated by the NCAA. There is, however, a well-established template for success in the SEC: strong defense and a hardnosed running game. Impose your will at the line of scrimmage. Butch Jones has made it clear that he understands that aspect of SEC pigskinery.
 
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TheDirector said:
Until we can start to recruit again like Florida, UGA, Bama and LSU, we won't catch them. You can talk all you want about scheme and past records of coaches etc... but the fact is we haven't won the SEC or competed nationally since the Fulmer days when he was consistently pulling top 5 classes in each year. Figure out how to close the talent gap and recruit like we used to and the rest will take care of itself!
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Great point; always interesting to see that rather obvious shortcoming get left out of prognostications when new staffs are hired to take over for terrible ones that left the cupboard relatively bare.

Also, if anyone thinks a program can just switch from "spread" to pro-set or vice-versa without some serious pain, they're kidding themselves.

Tebow wasn't the only secret to UF's success, although he certainly contributed to it. In 2006, Tebow didn't do much more than run for 1st downs on 3rd and short or TD's in the red zone. It's true he had a great NCG, with a passing and rushing TD; but Chris Leak won that NC.

The real secret to building a good spread or read-option team is athletic offensive linemen, as opposed to the big beasts that typically occupy SEC OL's. They have to be able to pull, run constant misdirection, and continue trucking down the field all game long... OL that can do that are rarer than one might think.

We didn't have those when Meyer and Co. got to UF, which is why in 2005 and 2006, Meyer and Mullen could only implement 60% of their offense, by their own admission. Leak also limited that style of offense.

Then, when Meyer left and Muschamp wanted to change back to the pro-set, we were stuck with all these undersized, but quick and athletic OL, which didn't work at all... hence the 7-6 record.

How fast Jones can recruit guys suitable for the spread will determine how quickly Vols fans can expect some consistent success from the offense. And, if he can make some adjustments the first year, and build a sort of hybrid offense until he has the horses, he could find some immediate success like Meyer did.

Ultimately, the offense was never UT's problem in the first place; the defense is UT's Achilles' Heel. To see any real early improvement in the W/L columns, Jones needs to land some blue-chippers on the defensive side of the ball.

As long as UT is dead last in the SEC in total and scoring defense, giving up 471.3 ypg (111th nationally) and 35.7 ppg (108th nationally), the W/L record probably doesn't improve much.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
I'll admit that when we got Butch I wasn't all in, however after getting over myself and my hatred of all things Florida,I started to see that our offensive skill players actually fit the spread pretty well. I know that Worley played a spread in high school and Peterman looks the part for a running Qb. Pig and or Q. could be our "Percy" style back. Croom could be a very opposing force from the TE position. I hope that Dallas and Bowles can break out this year.

I know that Meyer and Jones don't run the same kind of spread but lets hope that we get the same results.:toast:
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Percy was a game changer. We don't have one
 
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VolsRule said:
meyer won because of tebow---without tebow in 2010, the team sucked and he quit. Hopefully, UT doesn't try to become a finesse spread type team.
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Truth. Meyer and Tebow were creepy close. Pretty sure Meyer secretly delivered the immaculate conception love-child w/Tebow named "HAY-suss".
 
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Sandman 423 said:
I'll admit that when we got Butch I wasn't all in, however after getting over myself and my hatred of all things Florida,I started to see that our offensive skill players actually fit the spread pretty well. I know that Worley played a spread in high school and Peterman looks the part for a running Qb. Pig and or Q. could be our "Percy" style back. Croom could be a very opposing force from the TE position. I hope that Dallas and Bowles can break out this year.

I know that Meyer and Jones don't run the same kind of spread but lets hope that we get the same results.:toast:
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D-rock said:
Percy was a game changer. We don't have one
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True, Percy was a once-in-a-decade type player who could adapt and do it all.

And frankly, "looking the part" isn't really good enough; lots of guys look the part but can't play in the spread either right away or ever.

It's typically pretty complicated with countless sets, formations, and shifts that most players who've never played in it take awhile to learn... you don't learn most spread playbooks inside and out in 1 offseason.

That's why Tebow was so good so early; his HS had been running it all along and he was the ideal spread QB. He was also big enough to take the constant SEC pounding that spread QB's usually take when carrying the ball so much.

Manziel was amazing this year, but he better get in ATM's weight room early and often or that dwarf will never make it through 4 years of SEC ball. Both Tebow and Newton were 6'3" or 6'4" and 240+ lbs..
 
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Sandman 423 said:
I'll admit that when we got Butch I wasn't all in, however after getting over myself and my hatred of all things Florida,I started to see that our offensive skill players actually fit the spread pretty well. I know that Worley played a spread in high school and Peterman looks the part for a running Qb. Pig and or Q. could be our "Percy" style back. Croom could be a very opposing force from the TE position. I hope that Dallas and Bowles can break out this year.

I know that Meyer and Jones don't run the same kind of spread but lets hope that we get the same results.:toast:
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Im the same on first unsure did a little research the man can coach, if he can recruit he will lead us back to the top, got to give him time.:rock:
 
#70
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G8R8U2 said:
Great point; always interesting to see that rather obvious shortcoming get left out of prognostications when new staffs are hired to take over for terrible ones that left the cupboard relatively bare.

Also, if anyone thinks a program can just switch from "spread" to pro-set or vice-versa without some serious pain, they're kidding themselves.

Tebow wasn't the only secret to UF's success, although he certainly contributed to it. In 2006, Tebow didn't do much more than run for 1st downs on 3rd and short or TD's in the red zone. It's true he had a great NCG, with a passing and rushing TD; but Chris Leak won that NC.

The real secret to building a good spread or read-option team is athletic offensive linemen, as opposed to the big beasts that typically occupy SEC OL's. They have to be able to pull, run constant misdirection, and continue trucking down the field all game long... OL that can do that are rarer than one might think.

We didn't have those when Meyer and Co. got to UF, which is why in 2005 and 2006, Meyer and Mullen could only implement 60% of their offense, by their own admission. Leak also limited that style of offense.

Then, when Meyer left and Muschamp wanted to change back to the pro-set, we were stuck with all these undersized, but quick and athletic OL, which didn't work at all... hence the 7-6 record.

How fast Jones can recruit guys suitable for the spread will determine how quickly Vols fans can expect some consistent success from the offense. And, if he can make some adjustments the first year, and build a sort of hybrid offense until he has the horses, he could find some immediate success like Meyer did.

Ultimately, the offense was never UT's problem in the first place; the defense is UT's Achilles' Heel. To see any real early improvement in the W/L columns, Jones needs to land some blue-chippers on the defensive side of the ball.

As long as UT is dead last in the SEC in total and scoring defense, giving up 471.3 ypg (111th nationally) and 35.7 ppg (108th nationally), the W/L record probably doesn't improve much.
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'tis good to see straightforward analysis from a Florida fan without the condescending, sarcastic attitude that so frequently accompanies it. Respectful visitors are always welcome in Big Orange Country.

Your point about the specific skillset required of offensive linemen in spread offenses is duly noted. It helps to understand Florida's short-term, but dramatic, decline in the immediate aftermath of Meyer's departure. Incidentally, I have always said that Tebow was as perfect a match for Meyer's offense as Danny Wuerffel was for Spurrier's system.
 
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#74
#74
99gator said:
percy may be the best player to ever play at florida
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Yep. I tell people this all the time. Espn and the rest of the cretins can toot the tebow horn all they want but who is making the bigger impact in the pros now? As far as overall pure athlete harvin is at or near the top.
 
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