Tennessee trying to upgrade dormant pass rush

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Spartacavolus said:
Replacing linemen that are getting the fewest sacks in recent history just doesn't worry me.
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Umm.... Maybe. But they'll be replaced by guys who supposedly couldn't beat THOSE guys out last year.

Hopefully... offseason development was enough to make up that difference.
 
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sjt18 said:
Umm.... Maybe. But they'll be replaced by guys who supposedly couldn't beat THOSE guys out last year.

Hopefully... offseason development was enough to make up that difference.
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"Couldn't" beat those guys out?...well our starting RDE this year Cory Vereen, beat out Jacques Smith LAST YEAR...but was injured and limited most of the year...Owen Williams "couldn't" beat out Hood last year...because he was in JC...Hendrix will eventually start for us at LDE..even though he failed to do so last year...in high school :blush:...if your attempt was to cast doubt on the young talent in this squad...you did a poor job. :yu:
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sjt18 said:
Umm.... Maybe. But they'll be replaced by guys who supposedly couldn't beat THOSE guys out last year.

Hopefully... offseason development was enough to make up that difference.
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That you think a new coach worth a flip would come in and bench a sr laden line is typical of your limited ability to think outside of your zone. The same line that had been through another coaching change and system but had been thru it together and was the only position to rely on last year. Same line that set a ypc avg that is top 5 in UT history. You'd go in with your management for dummies examples, piss off the upperclassmen, and build a split in your team from the minute you opened your mouth and benched a leader who has helped hold the team together through all this junk.
To boot, Crowder played a bit. As did Kerbyson. And played well. Other 3 starters this fall weren't on the team or eligible last year.

There's also a slight chance that being in a system for the 2nd year in a row with the same coaches, playbook and strength coach makes a difference.
 
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CHeightsvol said:
We have been poor at rushing the QB because we can't cover anyone in the defensive backfield. Therefore, the QB gets rid of the ball quickly. You'll never get many sacks if your DBs and LBs can't stay with the receivers. Just sayin..............
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No our dl just sucked. Missouri pass d was ranked in the 100s. They had one of the best pass rushes in the sec.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
That you think a new coach worth a flip would come in and bench a sr laden line is typical of your limited ability to think outside of your zone. The same line that had been through another coaching change and system but had been thru it together and was the only position to rely on last year. Same line that set a ypc avg that is top 5 in UT history. You'd go in with your management for dummies examples, piss off the upperclassmen, and build a split in your team from the minute you opened your mouth and benched a leader who has helped hold the team together through all this junk.
To boot, Crowder played a bit. As did Kerbyson. And played well. Other 3 starters this fall weren't on the team or eligible last year.

There's also a slight chance that being in a system for the 2nd year in a row with the same coaches, playbook and strength coach makes a difference.
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Wisemen is going to be a stud also:good!:
 
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BadJerry20 said:
Seattle has the best secondary in the league, and it probably isn't close. I say that as a Niners fan.

Yes the front 7 was great.against the Broncos, but the L.O.B. is the best part of that D.
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Don't misunderstand me--I think the LOB are physical and great....but the key here is TIME.

Watch the tape of the game and Manning had players open on many plays--but the front 7 kept pressure in his face and disrupted his timing with his receivers.

It was definitely a JOINT effort--but the Seahawks' gameplan was obvious--they weren't gonna sit back in coverage and wait for Manning to pick them apart! PRESSURE on MANNING was key to their victory.

It was the same thing a few years ago when the Giants beat Brady and the Pats.....Giants PRESSURED Brady and got him out of rhythm an timing....
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Don't misunderstand me--I think the LOB are physical and great....but the key here is TIME.

Watch the tape of the game and Manning had players open on many plays--but the front 7 kept pressure in his face and disrupted his timing with his receivers.

It was definitely a JOINT effort--but the Seahawks' gameplan was obvious--they weren't gonna sit back in coverage and wait for Manning to pick them apart! PRESSURE on MANNING was key to their victory.

It was the same thing a few years ago when the Giants beat Brady and the Pats.....Giants PRESSURED Brady and got him out of rhythm an timing....
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Aesius said:
And an Oline that couldn't get 1 yard....1 yard....to beat Vandy.
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^^^^ Individual talent galore..but those clutch moments are won by o-lines playing as a great UNIT
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butchna said:
^^^^ Individual talent galore..but those clutch moments are won by o-lines playing as a great UNIT
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Sumlin says it's the difference between a nickel and five pennies. He said that while dropping his 2 stud JUCO OTs to 2nd team during spring practice (one of which we needed to start for us) in lieu of a rising sophomore. He said the best five players don't always make the best offensive line.
 
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Aesius said:
And an Oline that couldn't get 1 yard....1 yard....to beat Vandy.
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Didn't help that we telegraphed the play and they best us to the hole. One of a few plays that wins that game.
See it all the time though. From middle school to pro ball, good teams and good OL's struggle to get a yard when the d knows what's coming.
 
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Dan Brooks DL Steve Caldwell 2008, Ed Orgeron 2009, Chuck Smith 2010, Lance Thomas 2011, John Palermo 2012, Steve Stripling 2013.

John Chavis DC 2008, Monte Kiffin DC 2009, Justin Wilcox 2010-11, Sal Sunseri 2012, John Jancek DC 2013.

That is 7 DL coaches and 5 DCs in 6 seasons.

I believe this has more to do with the lack of sound DL play than anything else. It is extremely difficult for a player to reach his potential when he has to learn a new scheme, new terminology, and new coaching style every year. It's as though they were perpetual freshmen.
 
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Dr Dread said:
Dan Brooks DL Steve Caldwell 2008, Ed Orgeron 2009, Chuck Smith 2010, Lance Thomas 2011, John Palermo 2012, Steve Stripling 2013.

John Chavis DC 2008, Monte Kiffin DC 2009, Justin Wilcox 2010-11, Sal Sunseri 2012, John Jancek DC 2013.

That is 7 DL coaches and 5 DCs in 6 seasons.

I believe this has more to do with the lack of sound DL play than anything else. It is extremely difficult for a player to reach his potential when he has to learn a new scheme, new terminology, and new coaching style every year. It's as though they were perpetual freshmen.
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Good point.

Very good point.
 
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CHeightsvol said:
We have been poor at rushing the QB because we can't cover anyone in the defensive backfield. Therefore, the QB gets rid of the ball quickly. You'll never get many sacks if your DBs and LBs can't stay with the receivers. Just sayin..............
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The defensive side of the ball has been littered with holes the past few years.
 
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fade route said:
This. Same reason I'm not worried about replacing all 5 of our underachieving O line from last year.
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This is such a mis-judgement of the issue. The offensive line was good and will be missed much more than you an others are giving them credit . What made them look bad was the lack of a short , intermediate , and deep passing game . Wht I just said was that their was no passing game . The D's were free to key the gaps as their first read , the ends would actually rush inside in the running lanes ...with no fear of the pasing game . That is 8-9 guys at the point of attack on every play ...there are 5 Olinemen

When the QB starts punishing defenses for this , the safeties will make the run their second or third read and likewise the linebackers. Who knows, the D may move from 8 yards off the ball to 15 ..when we scare them deep . Then we can all sing the praises of the O line when they have balanced matchups.
 
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I miss the days of chuck smith, Todd Kelly and Steve white! Hell didn't we get like 40 sacks in 95 when little, burton, duff, white, Jonathan brown, green and beron were playing?
 
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I would love to get excited over 3rd and long again instead of watching a heart breaking conversion.
 
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fade route said:
This. Same reason I'm not worried about replacing all 5 of our underachieving O line from last year.
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All I heard for 2 years was how good the OL was, all I every seen on 3rd and 1 was the punt team running on the field on 4th down.:unsure:
 
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