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I think criticism of Barnes is more to do with his lack of developing post players (I know, Grant Williams). Until he can show that he can develop
a post player and get past NCAA field of 32, he will continue to be criticized.

With great play from BHH, progress from ORN and Plav, and solid contribution from Aidoo, along with making S16 next year, a lot of the criticism will fade.

Grant, Fulky, Kyle, and even Pons all grew to pretty good post guys.

But counting Kent, Burns, and both Walkers against him when all four left so quickly in their careers isn’t exactly a knock on his ability to develop post talent. More of a knock on his ability to identify post talent that will take his style of coaching & play.
 
Yeah, it's odd that his composite is a 3 star player when all 3 outlets (ESPN, Rivals, and 247) list him as a 4 star. He was ranked #146 on 247, but I can't find numerical rankings for him on ESPN or Rivals. I'm guessing the absence if a numerical ranking probably fool's their composite formula and then drops him to a 3 star overall.
 
The following year we will lose BHH and Fulky...theoretically we will have ORN, Aidoo, Plavsic...I’m venturing to guess the staff probably doesn’t feel ideal about that and feels if they get Tamba in here now that maybe he can give them something next year rather than another year in HS.
I guess we’ll still need a backup for Aidoo
 
Are you hinting that they’ll use him? Or just the possibility
Neither, really. Just presenting the profiles. I have been adamant from the beginning that the odds of Wideman or Beckwith ever playing basketball are slim and none. The basketball team doesn't need them, and they don't need the distraction from football.
 
Neither, really. Just presenting the profiles. I have been adamant from the beginning that the odds of Wideman or Beckwith ever playing basketball are slim and none. The basketball team doesn't need them, and they don't need the distraction from football.
Would be nice commodity to have when conference play starts in January though. I remember a highlight of his where lebron and Dwade stood out of their chairs after watching him
 
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Would be nice commodity to have when conference play starts in January though. I remember a highlight of his where lebron and Dwade stood out of their chairs after watching him
Yeah, if he were a PG, it would make more sense from a team need standpoint. Unfortunately for him, he plays at the deepest position and would never make a real impact unless he completely dedicated himself to basketball, I'm afraid.
 
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Yeah, if he were a PG, it would make more sense from a team need standpoint. Unfortunately for him, he plays at the deepest position and would never make a real impact unless he completely dedicated himself to basketball, I'm afraid.
Ah, thought he might be able to run PG too 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
I think criticism of Barnes is more to do with his lack of developing post players (I know, Grant Williams). Until he can show that he can develop
a post player and get past NCAA field of 32, he will continue to be criticized.

With great play from BHH, progress from ORN and Plav, and solid contribution from Aidoo, along with making S16 next year, a lot of the criticism will fade.
Interesting question but in context how many great post players has UT had historically?

Grant is among the best ever power forward/centers that UT has ever had, and Barnes coached him. Arguably may be the best post player Tennessee has ever had with two SEC player of the year awards. I have been watching UT basketball since 1975 and would easily consider Fulkerson among the top 15 post/power forwards at UT over these last 45 years...and Barnes has coached him too. Some examples, Reggie Johnson who played in the late 70’s, Howard Wood who also played in the 70’s and similar to Grant was only 6’7, Jarnell Stokes, Wayne Chism. Maymon had one pretty good year as an undersized 4. Isaiah Victor was solid (and often forgotten). Marcus Haislip had one great year than went pro immediately. CJ Black was pretty good. Carlos Groves yet another undersized BF was decent but played on horrible squads. Etc....

Insofar as pure centers are concerned Tom Boerwinkle who played in the 60’s, or Steve Hamer who played in the early 90’s come to mind. Brandon Crump was pretty good. Major Wingate had one decent year. Willie Burton and Rob Jones were both serviceable but undersized centers. A.W. Davis was a 6’7 center in early 60’s. Who else? Kyle Alexander was not a great center but how he developed under Barnes was unquestionable and we all know he was really forced to play as a freshman. Barnes wanted to redshirt him. Going back beyond the 60’s I can’t really speak too but a different era of basketball obviously.

Now Bernard King and Dale Ellis were the best 2 players in UT history but both were small forwards who happened to play in the post a lot. Ron Slay likewise was a big small forward who could play on perimeter or post up. Dyron Nix, an athletic freak who also was a small forward who jumped over teams in the paint. Tyler Smith also a 6’7 SF who could both high or low post. Likewise Admiral, Armani Moore were undersized players who often had to play out of position were both SF. I don’t consider any of them as pure post players in regard to this conversation. UT has historically played a lot of guys who probably had more of a small forward skill set at the 4 often out of necessity.

At Texas Barnes had 4 centers/post players who were drafted in the 1st round of NBA draft (Aldridge, Turner, Thompson, and Mihm) in 17 years. (I didn’t even count Durant who had SF skill set despite being 6’10). So Barnes has already shown he can develop post players. I suppose my point is....finding/developing great centers or post players is much more difficult than developing guards/wings or even PGs....for literally any program. Especially great centers. For UT they have been few and far between for any coach EVER.

In my opinion, Grant Williams is one of the best BF/post players in UT history. Fulkerson, although a different player, is in same category as CJ Black, Rob Jones, Isaiah Victor, Jerome Maymon (all good college players) historically in my opinion for positional players in the last 45 years. Barnes has coached him too. Modern basketball Is much different than how basketball was even played in decades past, largely due to 3 pt line and shot clock, but there isn’t anything to suggest Barnes can’t develop post players. Position less basketball is here to stay, but I do agree that having post presence is still critical. Now it is his job to recruit them, but nevertheless difficult to find too. Baylor won a national championship with a ton of perimeter players, an undersized BF, a tall bench player who could stroke from the 3 and a couple serviceable post players who defended and got rebounds. Welcome to basketball in the 2020’s. They just happened to have a ton of really good perimeter players who could create shots and hit perimeter shots. Sort of like Villanova’s runs.

Given this fact it is somewhat of an indictment of programs like UNC for instance given they seem to have high school All American centers/post players (sometimes multiple at the same time) in the program year after year after year. Can’t argue with their historic success but it isn’t as if they lacked the players particularly at post. I still think having balance is the best path for success but just difficult (particularly in this day and age) to find anyone who can play (or even wants to play) in the post. That is not an insignificant challenge and if you look at the history of UT basketball isn’t exactly a new challenge.
 
Interesting question but in context how many great post players has UT had historically?

Grant is among the best ever power forward/centers that UT has ever had, and Barnes coached him. Arguably may be the best post player Tennessee has ever had with two SEC player of the year awards. I have been watching UT basketball since 1975 and would easily consider Fulkerson among the top 15 post/power forwards at UT over these last 45 years...and Barnes has coached him too. Some examples, Reggie Johnson who played in the late 70’s, Howard Wood who also played in the 70’s and similar to Grant was only 6’7, Jarnell Stokes, Wayne Chism. Maymon had one pretty good year as an undersized 4. Isaiah Victor was solid (and often forgotten). Marcus Haislip had one great year than went pro immediately. CJ Black was pretty good. Carlos Groves yet another undersized BF was decent but played on horrible squads. Etc....

Insofar as pure centers are concerned Tom Boerwinkle who played in the 60’s, or Steve Hamer who played in the early 90’s come to mind. Brandon Crump was pretty good. Major Wingate had one decent year. Willie Burton and Rob Jones were both serviceable but undersized centers. A.W. Davis was a 6’7 center in early 60’s. Who else? Kyle Alexander was not a great center but how he developed under Barnes was unquestionable and we all know he was really forced to play as a freshman. Barnes wanted to redshirt him. Going back beyond the 60’s I can’t really speak too but a different era of basketball obviously.

Now Bernard King and Dale Ellis were the best 2 players in UT history but both were small forwards who happened to play in the post a lot. Ron Slay likewise was a big small forward who could play on perimeter or post up. Dyron Nix, an athletic freak who also was a small forward who jumped over teams in the paint. Tyler Smith also a 6’7 SF who could both high or low post. Likewise Admiral, Armani Moore were undersized players who often had to play out of position were both SF. I don’t consider any of them as pure post players in regard to this conversation. UT has historically played a lot of guys who probably had more of a small forward skill set at the 4 often out of necessity.

At Texas Barnes had 4 centers/post players who were drafted in the 1st round of NBA draft (Aldridge, Turner, Thompson, and Mihm) in 17 years. (I didn’t even count Durant who had SF skill set despite being 6’10). So Barnes has already shown he can develop post players. I suppose my point is....finding/developing great centers or post players is much more difficult than developing guards/wings or even PGs....for literally any program. Especially great centers. For UT they have been few and far between for any coach EVER.

In my opinion, Grant Williams is one of the best BF/post players in UT history. Fulkerson, although a different player, is in same category as CJ Black, Rob Jones, Isaiah Victor, Jerome Maymon (all good college players) historically in my opinion for positional players in the last 45 years. Barnes has coached him too. Modern basketball Is much different than how basketball was even played in decades past, largely due to 3 pt line and shot clock, but there isn’t anything to suggest Barnes can’t develop post players. Position less basketball is here to stay, but I do agree that having post presence is still critical. Now it is his job to recruit them, but nevertheless difficult to find too. Baylor won a national championship with a ton of perimeter players, an undersized BF, a tall bench player who could stroke from the 3 and a couple serviceable post players who defended and got rebounds. Welcome to basketball in the 2020’s. They just happened to have a ton of really good perimeter players who could create shots and hit perimeter shots. Sort of like Villanova’s runs.

Given this fact it is somewhat of an indictment of programs like UNC for instance given they seem to have high school All American centers/post players (sometimes multiple at the same time) in the program year after year after year. Can’t argue with their historic success but it isn’t as if they lacked the players particularly at post. I still think having balance is the best path for success but just difficult (particularly in this day and age) to find anyone who can play (or even wants to play) in the post. That is not an insignificant challenge and if you look at the history of UT basketball isn’t exactly a new challenge.

I don’t think you mentioned Len Kosmalski. He was a great post player that finished just before King arrived. He played one year with Grunfeld. The 1973-74 lineup would have been one of the best ever had Jackson and Moss been further developed in high school and been able to immediately play big roles as true freshmen. Rodney Woods is still considered the GOAT PG by many, John Snow was a really good shooting guard, Grunfeld, and Kosmalski were 4 really good players. Add an experienced Mike Jackson and David Moss and that is a Final Four lineup. I’m not sure if DM’s cancer diagnosis was during or after the season. It was rumored that he could touch the top of the backboard.

King would have been better suited as a 3 but he was a 4 nearly every time he was on the floor. But in those days lineups were labeled as 2x guards, 2x forwards, plus a center. Ellis also played more under the basket than on the perimeter at TN. Seems like most of his perimeter time was if he wandered out to a corner.
 
I don’t think you mentioned Len Kosmalski. He was a great post player that finished just before King arrived. He played one year with Grunfeld. The 1973-74 lineup would have been one of the best ever had Jackson and Moss been further developed in high school and been able to immediately play big roles as true freshmen. Rodney Woods is still considered the GOAT PG by many, John Snow was a really good shooting guard, Grunfeld, and Kosmalski were 4 really good players. Add an experienced Mike Jackson and David Moss and that is a Final Four lineup. I’m not sure if DM’s cancer diagnosis was during or after the season. It was rumored that he could touch the top of the backboard.

King would have been better suited as a 3 but he was a 4 nearly every time he was on the floor. But in those days lineups were labeled as 2x guards, 2x forwards, plus a center. Ellis also played more under the basket than on the perimeter at TN. Seems like most of his perimeter time was if he wandered out to a corner.

I think they just started having the three point shot while Ellis was here. Devoe was opposed to it, especially for a guy that he needed to have underneath the basket. That is probably why Devoe soon became Tennessee's ex-coach.
 
I think they just started having the three point shot while Ellis was here. Devoe was opposed to it, especially for a guy that he needed to have underneath the basket. That is probably why Devoe soon became Tennessee's ex-coach.

Dale Ellis last year was 1982-83. The shot clock began in the 1986-87 season. Tony White’s senior season.

Devoe was more opposed to the 45 second clock than the 3-PL. But he did say that if any of his players looked at where their feet were before shooting the ball he’d sit them on the bench. Devoe’s demise had a lot to do with not being able to elevate his recruiting. His extreme attitude on discipline didn’t age well until he got to Navy.
 
Interesting question but in context how many great post players has UT had historically?

Grant is among the best ever power forward/centers that UT has ever had, and Barnes coached him. Arguably may be the best post player Tennessee has ever had with two SEC player of the year awards. I have been watching UT basketball since 1975 and would easily consider Fulkerson among the top 15 post/power forwards at UT over these last 45 years...and Barnes has coached him too. Some examples, Reggie Johnson who played in the late 70’s, Howard Wood who also played in the 70’s and similar to Grant was only 6’7, Jarnell Stokes, Wayne Chism. Maymon had one pretty good year as an undersized 4. Isaiah Victor was solid (and often forgotten). Marcus Haislip had one great year than went pro immediately. CJ Black was pretty good. Carlos Groves yet another undersized BF was decent but played on horrible squads. Etc....

Insofar as pure centers are concerned Tom Boerwinkle who played in the 60’s, or Steve Hamer who played in the early 90’s come to mind. Brandon Crump was pretty good. Major Wingate had one decent year. Willie Burton and Rob Jones were both serviceable but undersized centers. A.W. Davis was a 6’7 center in early 60’s. Who else? Kyle Alexander was not a great center but how he developed under Barnes was unquestionable and we all know he was really forced to play as a freshman. Barnes wanted to redshirt him. Going back beyond the 60’s I can’t really speak too but a different era of basketball obviously.

Now Bernard King and Dale Ellis were the best 2 players in UT history but both were small forwards who happened to play in the post a lot. Ron Slay likewise was a big small forward who could play on perimeter or post up. Dyron Nix, an athletic freak who also was a small forward who jumped over teams in the paint. Tyler Smith also a 6’7 SF who could both high or low post. Likewise Admiral, Armani Moore were undersized players who often had to play out of position were both SF. I don’t consider any of them as pure post players in regard to this conversation. UT has historically played a lot of guys who probably had more of a small forward skill set at the 4 often out of necessity.

At Texas Barnes had 4 centers/post players who were drafted in the 1st round of NBA draft (Aldridge, Turner, Thompson, and Mihm) in 17 years. (I didn’t even count Durant who had SF skill set despite being 6’10). So Barnes has already shown he can develop post players. I suppose my point is....finding/developing great centers or post players is much more difficult than developing guards/wings or even PGs....for literally any program. Especially great centers. For UT they have been few and far between for any coach EVER.

In my opinion, Grant Williams is one of the best BF/post players in UT history. Fulkerson, although a different player, is in same category as CJ Black, Rob Jones, Isaiah Victor, Jerome Maymon (all good college players) historically in my opinion for positional players in the last 45 years. Barnes has coached him too. Modern basketball Is much different than how basketball was even played in decades past, largely due to 3 pt line and shot clock, but there isn’t anything to suggest Barnes can’t develop post players. Position less basketball is here to stay, but I do agree that having post presence is still critical. Now it is his job to recruit them, but nevertheless difficult to find too. Baylor won a national championship with a ton of perimeter players, an undersized BF, a tall bench player who could stroke from the 3 and a couple serviceable post players who defended and got rebounds. Welcome to basketball in the 2020’s. They just happened to have a ton of really good perimeter players who could create shots and hit perimeter shots. Sort of like Villanova’s runs.

Given this fact it is somewhat of an indictment of programs like UNC for instance given they seem to have high school All American centers/post players (sometimes multiple at the same time) in the program year after year after year. Can’t argue with their historic success but it isn’t as if they lacked the players particularly at post. I still think having balance is the best path for success but just difficult (particularly in this day and age) to find anyone who can play (or even wants to play) in the post. That is not an insignificant challenge and if you look at the history of UT basketball isn’t exactly a new challenge.

I am glad we have Fulkerson but I think you have some major recency bias saying he's a top 15 post player here over the last 45 years. His peak season year before last had a spectacular 10 or so game stretch. Outside of that I just don't see him remotely in the league of other great F/C who played here.
 
I think they just started having the three point shot while Ellis was here. Devoe was opposed to it, especially for a guy that he needed to have underneath the basket. That is probably why Devoe soon became Tennessee's ex-coach.

DeVoe never embraced the three point shot and his offensive sets were too slow.
 
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I don’t think you mentioned Len Kosmalski. He was a great post player that finished just before King arrived. He played one year with Grunfeld. The 1973-74 lineup would have been one of the best ever had Jackson and Moss been further developed in high school and been able to immediately play big roles as true freshmen. Rodney Woods is still considered the GOAT PG by many, John Snow was a really good shooting guard, Grunfeld, and Kosmalski were 4 really good players. Add an experienced Mike Jackson and David Moss and that is a Final Four lineup. I’m not sure if DM’s cancer diagnosis was during or after the season. It was rumored that he could touch the top of the backboard.

King would have been better suited as a 3 but he was a 4 nearly every time he was on the floor. But in those days lineups were labeled as 2x guards, 2x forwards, plus a center. Ellis also played more under the basket than on the perimeter at TN. Seems like most of his perimeter time was if he wandered out to a corner.

Grunfeld would have been a solid shooting guard and King was the best small forward in Tennessee basketball history.
 
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Interesting question but in context how many great post players has UT had historically?

Grant is among the best ever power forward/centers that UT has ever had, and Barnes coached him. Arguably may be the best post player Tennessee has ever had with two SEC player of the year awards. I have been watching UT basketball since 1975 and would easily consider Fulkerson among the top 15 post/power forwards at UT over these last 45 years...and Barnes has coached him too. Some examples, Reggie Johnson who played in the late 70’s, Howard Wood who also played in the 70’s and similar to Grant was only 6’7, Jarnell Stokes, Wayne Chism. Maymon had one pretty good year as an undersized 4. Isaiah Victor was solid (and often forgotten). Marcus Haislip had one great year than went pro immediately. CJ Black was pretty good. Carlos Groves yet another undersized BF was decent but played on horrible squads. Etc....

Insofar as pure centers are concerned Tom Boerwinkle who played in the 60’s, or Steve Hamer who played in the early 90’s come to mind. Brandon Crump was pretty good. Major Wingate had one decent year. Willie Burton and Rob Jones were both serviceable but undersized centers. A.W. Davis was a 6’7 center in early 60’s. Who else? Kyle Alexander was not a great center but how he developed under Barnes was unquestionable and we all know he was really forced to play as a freshman. Barnes wanted to redshirt him. Going back beyond the 60’s I can’t really speak too but a different era of basketball obviously.

Now Bernard King and Dale Ellis were the best 2 players in UT history but both were small forwards who happened to play in the post a lot. Ron Slay likewise was a big small forward who could play on perimeter or post up. Dyron Nix, an athletic freak who also was a small forward who jumped over teams in the paint. Tyler Smith also a 6’7 SF who could both high or low post. Likewise Admiral, Armani Moore were undersized players who often had to play out of position were both SF. I don’t consider any of them as pure post players in regard to this conversation. UT has historically played a lot of guys who probably had more of a small forward skill set at the 4 often out of necessity.

At Texas Barnes had 4 centers/post players who were drafted in the 1st round of NBA draft (Aldridge, Turner, Thompson, and Mihm) in 17 years. (I didn’t even count Durant who had SF skill set despite being 6’10). So Barnes has already shown he can develop post players. I suppose my point is....finding/developing great centers or post players is much more difficult than developing guards/wings or even PGs....for literally any program. Especially great centers. For UT they have been few and far between for any coach EVER.

In my opinion, Grant Williams is one of the best BF/post players in UT history. Fulkerson, although a different player, is in same category as CJ Black, Rob Jones, Isaiah Victor, Jerome Maymon (all good college players) historically in my opinion for positional players in the last 45 years. Barnes has coached him too. Modern basketball Is much different than how basketball was even played in decades past, largely due to 3 pt line and shot clock, but there isn’t anything to suggest Barnes can’t develop post players. Position less basketball is here to stay, but I do agree that having post presence is still critical. Now it is his job to recruit them, but nevertheless difficult to find too. Baylor won a national championship with a ton of perimeter players, an undersized BF, a tall bench player who could stroke from the 3 and a couple serviceable post players who defended and got rebounds. Welcome to basketball in the 2020’s. They just happened to have a ton of really good perimeter players who could create shots and hit perimeter shots. Sort of like Villanova’s runs.

Given this fact it is somewhat of an indictment of programs like UNC for instance given they seem to have high school All American centers/post players (sometimes multiple at the same time) in the program year after year after year. Can’t argue with their historic success but it isn’t as if they lacked the players particularly at post. I still think having balance is the best path for success but just difficult (particularly in this day and age) to find anyone who can play (or even wants to play) in the post. That is not an insignificant challenge and if you look at the history of UT basketball isn’t exactly a new challenge.
Howard Bathe was a 6’5 235 lb center who Ray Mears brought with him from Wittenberg College. He played from 1963-1966. In AprilBayne had signed a contract to play football for the Cleveland Browns but was cut in July. Many SEC coaches were cautious about playing against him because when he wanted a rebound, he would usually get it. He more than likely have gotten a rebound away from Charles Barkley if he wanted it and they had played at the same time. Look him up. Tennessee fans loved him and the rest of the SEC fan hated him.
 
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Grunfeld would have been a solid shooting guard and King was the best small forward in Tennessee basketball history.

At TN Grunfeld was pretty much the 3 and King the 4. I think King was also the 5 at times. Mike Jackson was the shooting guard. But King and Grunfeld was pretty much a two man star system and the other 3 on the court filled roles. King was a beast in the paint no matter how his position was labeled. He was everywhere in the NBA. Pretty much get him the ball on the perimeter and watch him go to work. He was unstoppable until his knee blew up. In the open court nobody could stop him from scoring. More of an offensive threat than Jordan when MJ was early in his career. Peak King and Peak Jordan were very similar.
 
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At TN Grunfeld was pretty much the 3 and King the 4. I think King was also the 5 at times. Mike Jackson was the shooting guard. But King and Grunfeld was pretty much a two man star system and the other 3 on the court filled roles. King was a beast in the paint no matter how he was labeled. He was everywhere in the NBA. Pretty much get him the ball on the perimeter and watch him go to work. He was unstoppable until his knee blew up. In the open court nobody could stop him from scoring. More of and offensive threat than Jordan when MJ was early in his career. Peak King and Peak Jordan were very similar.
My favorite player from the 60’s was Ron Widby, who came to UT from Fulton HS. Great bb player, but also lettered in baseball, football (punter), and golf. I can’t imagine anyone in this day and age lettering in three sports, much less four. He spent several years in the NFL as a punter, but also played pro basketball for a short while.
 
I am glad we have Fulkerson but I think you have some major recency bias saying he's a top 15 post player here over the last 45 years. His peak season year before last had a spectacular 10 or so game stretch. Outside of that I just don't see him remotely in the league of other great F/C who played here.
Such as? List out the pure posts/centers since 1975-1976 who were better than Fulkerson. (In no particular order). You are welcome add other names as possible I missed some.

The following 8 were better than Fulkerson:
Reggie Johnson C
Howard Wood 6’7 C/BF
Steve Hamer C
Marcus Haislip BF
Brandon Crump C
Wayne Chism BF
Jarnell Stokes C
Grant Williams 6’7 BF

These next 9 are debatable:
Willie Burton 6’7 BF
Rob Jones 6’7 C/BF
Ian Lockhart BF
Carlos Groves 6’7 BF
Kevin Whitted 6’9 BF
CJ Black C
Isaiah Victor 6’9 BF
Major Wingate C
Jeronne Maymon 6’6 BF

So Top 15 only requires he is better than 3 on this list immediately above. Not a stretch. He is more skilled offensively than any of the 9 above, isn’t as good a rebounder or defender than a number of them (due to strength), but still overall debatable. And he has one more year to go.

All these below are obviously better than Fulkerson but the original question posed and my response was about pure posts/centers.
Bernard King. 6’7 a SF who played in post; was SF in NBA his entire career
Dale Ellis 6’7 SF who played in post or baseline; was 2G or SF during his NBA career
Dyron Nix 6’7 yet another SF who played both post and on perimeter
Ron Slay 6’7 often played SF and facing basket despite weighing 240
Tyler Smith 6’7 another SF who at times played low/high post, but also faced basket a lot in Pearl’s offense

When folks suggest Barnes needs to have better post/centers I don’t think they are suggesting he needs more 6’7 combo talent who play in the paint. Historically we have a good number of these types. But very few great pure centers or back to the basket power forwards at UT. In fact if you narrow the scope to just centers since 1975, given that is what Fulkerson has played primarily, the list gets a lot smaller. 45 years is a long time but our list of good college centers isn’t very long. Dan Federman, Doug Roth, and Charles Hathaways, etc.....didn’t make the cut.
 
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My original post was that he was a high 3 star and top 200 national ranked player.

Nothing you or The Dog has posted is contradicting that, I’m not sure why what I said is being challenged?

He was a highly rated WR & SF, he has chosen football it appears. But I disagreed with the assumption that he couldn’t cut it in a P5 program hooping, that’s where this began.

I suppose I need to preface that I only ever look at 24/7 composite ratings.
 
Such as? List out the pure posts/centers since 1975-1976 who were better than Fulkerson. (In no particular order). You are welcome add other names as possible I missed some.

The following 8 were better than Fulkerson:
Reggie Johnson C
Howard Wood 6’7 C/BF
Steve Hamer C
Marcus Haislip BF
Brandon Crump C
Wayne Chism BF
Jarnell Stokes C
Grant Williams 6’7 BF

These next 9 are debatable:
Willie Burton 6’7 BF
Rob Jones 6’7 C/BF
Ian Lockhart BF
Carlos Groves 6’7 BF
Kevin Whitted 6’9 BF
CJ Black C
Isaiah Victor 6’9 BF
Major Wingate C
Jeronne Maymon 6’6 BF

So Top 15 only requires he is better than 3 on this list immediately above. Not a stretch. He is more skilled offensively than any of the 9 above, isn’t as good a rebounder or defender than a number of them (due to strength), but still overall debatable. And he has one more year to go.

All these below are obviously better than Fulkerson but the original question posed and my response was about pure posts/centers.
Bernard King. 6’7 a SF who played in post; was SF in NBA his entire career
Dale Ellis 6’7 SF who played in post or baseline; was 2G or SF during his NBA career
Dyron Nix 6’7 yet another SF who played both post and on perimeter
Ron Slay 6’7 often played SF and facing basket despite weighing 240
Tyler Smith 6’7 another SF who at times played low/high post, but also faced basket a lot in Pearl’s offense

When folks suggest Barnes needs to have better post/centers I don’t think they are suggesting he needs more 6’7 combo talent who play in the paint. Historically we have a good number of these types. But very few great pure centers or back to the basket power forwards at UT. In fact if you narrow the scope to just centers since 1975, given that is what Fulkerson has played primarily, the list gets a lot smaller. 45 years is a long time but our list of good college centers isn’t very long. Dan Federman, Doug Roth, and Charles Hathaways, etc.....didn’t make the cut.

I love Fulky, but you’re high as hell if you think he’s better than CJ Black, who is still the career leader in blocks at UT. While also amassing 1200 points & 700 rebounds in his career.

You also left Kyle Alexander outta the discussion? Who has 100 more blocks and 150+ more rebounds for his career than John who will have played 6 seasons before leaving.

I love Fulky, but unless he has a huge year I don’t know that he can really cement himself as a top 15 big.
 

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