Tennessee Vols Basketball Recruiting

[bleedingTNorange]

1- we can talk about what if’s all day. What if our three’s fall against Michigan? At Kentucky ORN had six points, zero rebounds. He didn’t get to play against Kentucky again, but are you confident he would’ve gotten six rebounds in any of the other games? That’s not a knock on him, I’m a huge ORN guy, but I would say BHH had a higher ceiling.

2- if we do, good. I’ll be glad to say I was wrong. But it still doesn’t make it any less dangerous of a game to play.

Might have a higher ceiling but have a much lower floor, while also being a headache.

Maybe the coaches know what they are doing? Lol

 

[bleedingTNorange]

solid point, but then what’s the point of hypothetical’s with ORN? That was an example of teams that I feel, historically, are close to on our level. They already have their classes filled and usually have consistent successful seasons.

Again, you listed more spots than players and transfers don’t have stars, so your question made zero sense. Ohio State fans aren’t overly excited about next year either considering what they’ve lost and Holtmann’s inability to get them out of the first weekend, so interesting comp there.

 

[CornbreadVol]

It would really suck if collins doesn’t enter his name in the portal by May 1st lol

 

[Dallasbowlin]

Again, you listed more spots than players and transfers don’t have stars, so your question made zero sense. Ohio State fans aren’t overly excited about next year either considering what they’ve lost and Holtmann’s inability to get them out of the first weekend, so interesting comp there.

Guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.

Muss is out here every off season adding 5-6 guys in the spring, yet people applaud him? Not sure what there is to disagree about until the plan doesn’t work?

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Muss is out here every off season adding 5-6 guys in the spring, yet people applaud him? Not sure what there is to disagree about until the plan doesn’t work?

Well back to back Elite 8s will do that far ya...

I'm sure we'll be fine, most of us just thought winning the SECT would give a bit of momentum in recruiting.

 

[CornbreadVol]

It’s weird how it’s been really quiet regarding Phillips and Malik

 

[vols 30]

It’s weird how it’s been really quiet regarding Phillips and Malik

A calm before the storm IMO

 

[CornbreadVol]

A calm before the storm IMO

I hope so, I’m just dying for any sort of news. Ik that phillips said that he was going to ramp up his recruitment following his Championship game but do we have any sort of idea as to what the timetable is for Malik?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Well back to back Elite 8s will do that far ya...

I'm sure we'll be fine, most of us just thought winning the SECT would give a bit of momentum in recruiting.

And it might, no? We have 4 spots to fill, again, this is about folks being impatient.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

And it might, no? We have 9 spots to fill, again, this is about folks being impatient.

9?!?! Are you trying to freak people out more!!!

 

[cncchris33]

Uhhh... they were all in on quite a few guys last summer leading up to the fall signing period with no scholarships available. (Cason Wallace, Dillon Mitchell, Jalen Hood-Schifino, Brandon Miller) all guys they were hard after.

Yeah, the excuse of only 1 scholarship doesn't really fly with the way we recruited some of these kids. We weren't turning away any of the ones you listed.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

9?!?! Are you trying to freak people out more!!!

Sorry lol, 9 on scholastic, 4 to fill.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Yeah, the excuse of only 1 scholarship doesn't really fly with the way we recruited some of these kids. We weren't turning away any of the ones you listed.

It would’ve been interesting to see what they’d have done if 5-6 of those guys wanted to commit, seemed more like they tried to swing for the fence and play percentages of likely landing just 1-2, but whiffed on them all. It will be interesting to see if/how that strategy changes for the 2023 class.

 

[ColinS]

Your not losing BHH's numbers from last year, your losing what he would have brought to the table moving forward. That's why it hurts. My guess is that he would have been a 10 point 6 rebound type player this coming year.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Honestly if we can just get a PG that's at least 70% of what KC was then I like this roster next season (assuming Santi & JJJ both return and no injury issues with ON or Aidoo).

I liked BHH and was hoping he'd be someone that could really step up for us...but given his size and talent he was ultimately disappointing. If BJE is anywhere near what ZZ was in his first season then we're going to be a team that competes for the SEC I think.

I'd love to land one of the 5 star 6'8" guys but just have to wait and see.

 

[johnfnkelly]

Honestly if we can just get a PG that's at least 70% of what KC was then I like this roster next season (assuming Santi & JJJ both return and no injury issues with ON or Aidoo).

I liked BHH and was hoping he'd be someone that could really step up for us...but given his size and talent he was ultimately disappointing. If BJE is anywhere near what ZZ was in his first season then we're going to be a team that competes for the SEC I think.

I'd love to land one of the 5 star 6'8" guys but just have to wait and see.

It is interesting how BHH was regarded as a disappointment but nobody seems to criticize Mashack or Aidoo, who were also both highly touted. It's almost like every blue chip isn't ready from the jump and needs a year or two to further develop into that type of player.

Jw, but is Josiah considered a disappointment now?

 

[cncchris33]

True, but we also landed BHH - April 15th, Aidoo - April 14th, Quentin - April 14th, and Powell on April 3rd.

Only Tamba & Zeigler were landed in summer. So I think people are expecting us to see additions around now and that's not happened yet.

Not only that, but of the 5 we landed, only one of them was really a meaningful contributor in his first year, and he was the least heralded of the bunch.

Landing Phillips and Reneau, on paper, would look similar to landing BHH and Aidoo, but would we get better results than what we got from the latter two guys from the two freshmen, next year? Is Key any more productive than Powell was in year one? Should Collins be expected to out-produce what ZZ did in year one?

My concern is that we keep clamoring for help, and the immediate response is to point at what we did last year in the spring, and in reality, we didn't get a whole lot of production out of those reinforcements.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Your not losing BHH's numbers from last year, your losing what he would have brought to the table moving forward. That's why it hurts. My guess is that he would have been a 10 point 6 rebound type player this coming year.

Trying to guess what BHH would’ve been seems like an impossible task…he could’ve been 10/6 or could’ve been end of bench guy who never played and transferred mid season.

 

[cncchris33]

It would’ve been interesting to see what they’d have done if 5-6 of those guys wanted to commit, seemed more like they tried to swing for the fence and play percentages of likely landing just 1-2, but whiffed on them all. It will be interesting to see if/how that strategy changes for the 2023 class.

Yeah, I don't kean they would have taken 5 or 6 of them. I means, you have to draw the line somewhere. I just mean, individually, none of those kids were held off because we only had one spot. Recruiting doesn't work that way anymore.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

It is interesting how BHH was regarded as a disappointment but nobody seems to criticize Mashack or Aidoo, who were also both highly touted. It's almost like every blue chip isn't ready from the jump and needs a year or two to further develop into that type of player.

Jw, but is Josiah considered a disappointment now?

My reason is this...

1. Mashack is a guard and he was starting the season well behind Santi, KC, JJJ, Bailey & Powell in the pecking order. The fact ZZ was able to be an instant contributor at PG shuffled him further behind.
2. Aidoo started the year as a RS candidate, both the staff & his family were planning on that. So his preparation likely was just different than BHHs and others going into the year because of that.

BHH was the only freshmen going into this past off-season (other than KC) that was entering the year healthy and with a clear path to playing time. Even before the ON injury there were ample minutes given to BHH.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

It is interesting how BHH was regarded as a disappointment but nobody seems to criticize Mashack or Aidoo, who were also both highly touted. It's almost like every blue chip isn't ready from the jump and needs a year or two to further develop into that type of player.

Jw, but is Josiah considered a disappointment now?

I think a big part of that is where both were those guys were all ranked, BHH was the highest, but I was also in the camp that thought people should have lower expectations than what they seemed to for those guys. If you aren’t Top 10 lots of time you need a few years as you alluded to, I personally wasn’t disappointed in BHH’s play at all really.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I'm more disappointed BHH felt it wasn't enough and rather than working harder is choosing to leave.

4 guys on the team played in all 35 games, BHH being one of them.

Of the freshmen on the team only 2 of them got more mpg than BHH (KC & ZZ). He also got 13 starts which was 2nd among the freshmen. Despite all that the only area BHH's production was greater than Aidoo was in points (based on their Per 40 projections), Aidoo would have had more rebounds and blocks with less turnovers. Assist/Steals would have been nearly equal.

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

Trying to guess what BHH would’ve been seems like an impossible task…he could’ve been 10/6 or could’ve been end of bench guy who never played and transferred mid season.

You’d be ignoring the obvious trend to get to that conclusion.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Not only that, but of the 5 we landed, only one of them was really a meaningful contributor in his first year, and he was the least heralded of the bunch.

Landing Phillips and Reneau, on paper, would look similar to landing BHH and Aidoo, but would we get better results than what we got from the latter two guys from the two freshmen, next year? Is Key any more productive than Powell was in year one? Should Collins be expected to out-produce what ZZ did in year one?

My concern is that we keep clamoring for help, and the immediate response is to point at what we did last year in the spring, and in reality, we didn't get a whole lot of production out of those reinforcements.

This is true, I was just speaking about how it changed the narrative though of that upcoming season…obviously you would hope Phillips & Reneau > BHH & Aidoo, and I definitely think you’d expect Key to better Powell’s 14mpg 4ppg and Collins best Zeigler’s 22mpg 9ppg 3apg, but yes, it is all unknown until it happens. I get majority of our fans want to look at the current 9 and give it the ole “oh no we suck again”, but Q/Tamba weren’t contributors, BHH contributions should be matched by Aidoo or Plav, that leaves Chandler…yes he was great, no downplaying that, but you’re talking increased volume for Zeigler and you hope to add someone. There’s a reason early analytics view this as a Top 10-15 team even as is (yes I think that’s a bit high) and why most every human has them 10-20 right now without any additions, I don’t think the outlook is near as doom and gloom as some are acting.