Tennessee Will Never Be Elite Again (2021 Article)

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I never forgot about this article. I think it's time to go remind this clown on Twitter.

The truth hurts, but here it is: Tennessee, you will never be elite again...

Article:

Matt Hayes Twitter (X) Account: x.com
 
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To be fair, at the time not single fan could have forseen the rise of Heupel. I certainly didn't.
Totally agreed. I remember when Heupel was hired, the feeling around here was, for the most part, meh. I know I thought White cheaped out because I had to google Heupels name. Any Vol fan that tells you they foresaw Heupel doing what he has is lying.

Josh Heupel has vastly exceeded all expectations.
 
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Totally agreed. I remember when Heupel was hired, the feeling around here was, for the most part, meh. I know I thought White cheaped out because I had to google Heupels name. Any Vol fan that tells you they foresaw Heupel doing what he has is lying.

Josh Heupel has vastly exceeded all expectations.
There’s still a difference between being underwhelmed with a specific hire and declaring categorically that a top program historically won’t and in fact can’t rise back to prominence, ever.

Fans can whine and cry, but people outside the program, let alone someone who’s supposed to be a journalist/pundit should know to avoid talking in such absolutes. It was a monumentally shortsighted and just plain stupid take.

You could easily write a similar clickbait piece about Florida right now. @lawgator1 has even declared that the UF football program is done, because he’s a fan and fans are emotional. How many of us think for a second that he’s right? Not many.
 
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Hey, even morons find a nut once in a while!!!

5. The Weekly Five​

The top five candidates for the Tennessee job (and one bonus):

1. P.J. Fleck, Minnesota: The dream candidate. Has everything Tennessee needs: sparkling track record and charisma, and a booming personality to attract recruits. But the dream candidate is also more than likely a pipedream. He’s happy in Minneapolis, and it’s a personality fit.

2. Tony Elliott, Clemson offensive coordinator: A critical factor in Clemson’s rise under Swinney, he has been waiting for the perfect job. This may not be it. He will be a star when he finally accepts a Power 5 job.

3. Jamey Chadwell, Coastal Carolina: Is it possible to parlay 1 winning season in 3 years at Coastal into a Power 5 job? It’s Tennessee, everyone. Anything is possible.

4. Josh Heupel, UCF: He has the Bob Stoops pedigree (no, Bob Stoops isn’t interested), and he’s 28-8 in 3 seasons at UCF.

5. Jeff Monken, Army: No, he won’t run the triple option – but his give no quarter attitude and history of producing smart, tough teams is exactly what this program needs.
 
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It was an idiotic statement to make.

There are in reality only about 20 teams that can win the National championship due to the level of support/name recognition/facilities that they have. That's not an absolute, but I would say that it's true 99% of the time.

In the SEC currently you have 9 of those teams.

In the Big 10 you have another 7 or so.

In the ACC you have 2.

The big 12 would have the remaining 2.

Give or take you could change any of the above by a school or two but the total would still be right at 20.
 
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Yes, Hayes should hear it every day and every minute from Vol fans. Anyone writing that kind of article making those kinds of claims is a jackass.

And Hayes wasn't the only jackass running his mouth about this kind of crap. Remember Matt Jones with the Kentucky Sports Radio network? The one who said "Tennessee will not win another championship in my lifetime" back during 2019. And who went on the Finebaum show and doubled down on his assertion that Tennessee football would never be elite again? Good thing he didn't really bet the farm on that idiotic wager. Hearing Matt Jones mope in misery after Tennessee beats his team - football or basketball - is a guilty pleasure of mine. Twerp.
 
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Hey, even morons find a nut once in a while!!!

5. The Weekly Five​

The top five candidates for the Tennessee job (and one bonus):

1. P.J. Fleck, Minnesota: The dream candidate. Has everything Tennessee needs: sparkling track record and charisma, and a booming personality to attract recruits. But the dream candidate is also more than likely a pipedream. He’s happy in Minneapolis, and it’s a personality fit.

2. Tony Elliott, Clemson offensive coordinator: A critical factor in Clemson’s rise under Swinney, he has been waiting for the perfect job. This may not be it. He will be a star when he finally accepts a Power 5 job.

3. Jamey Chadwell, Coastal Carolina: Is it possible to parlay 1 winning season in 3 years at Coastal into a Power 5 job? It’s Tennessee, everyone. Anything is possible.

4. Josh Heupel, UCF: He has the Bob Stoops pedigree (no, Bob Stoops isn’t interested), and he’s 28-8 in 3 seasons at UCF.

5. Jeff Monken, Army: No, he won’t run the triple option – but his give no quarter attitude and history of producing smart, tough teams is exactly what this program needs.
Thank goodness we didn’t end up w/ either of these guys, or Jimmy Franklin. I don’t feel like looking it up, but I bet Tony Elliott and Fleck’s record is below .500 the past 2-3 seasons combined.
 
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I responded to this drivel when it was posted on here at the time, but I’m too lazy to look it up.

The article was stupid then and it is even more stupid now.

There are around 15-20 programs in the country that can never be counted out. All it takes is a good coach. Tennessee is one of those programs.

So is Florida. They won’t be down forever, either. But let’s hope they stay down for as long as we did. Or even better…longer!
 
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I never forgot about this article. I think it's time to go remind this clown on Twitter.

The truth hurts, but here it is: Tennessee, you will never be elite again...

Article:

Matt Hayes Twitter (X) Account: x.com
There are so many obvious holes in this story that make no sense to anyone that knows football.

For instance
Lie: Tennessee is the SEC’s version of Nebraska, a former college football power that continues to circulate through coaching failures without addressing the true north reason.....Players

Fact check: Nebraska always had and always will have recruiting issues. They depended on their walkon program to rise to prominence. Developing a large amount of their talent in-house and recruiting a lot of under the radar guys that fit their system. once they moved away from the triple option they were toast. Their recrtuing classes are mostly 3 stars with a few 4's and a rare 5 sprinkled in.

Lie: The Vols’ recruiting footprint is the state of Tennessee — and fighting an uphill battle in the South. Or potentially using an illegal move (see: Pruitt firing).

Fact Check: UT has always recruited Nationwide and has a very strong recruiting base across the south. Until post Fulmer years UT didn't recruit hard in TN. In state recruiting took off right around the time the level of football instate jumped. Especially middle TN and West TN.

Gaslight alert: Because there’s only one Dabo. Just like there’s one Saban and one Urban Meyer and after that, there’s a deep, deep chasm to the rest of college football coaching fiefdom.

Truth: Before those guys were those guys, they weren't. Josh Heupel exists.. he's real there's also only one of him. There is also Kirby Smart. Just saying there are always great young coaches stepping up to replace the old guard. You just gotta be ready for them when they come around.

Lie: Want to know who can take the current Tennessee situation – with its inherent geographical footprint recruiting issues and lack of elite high school players in the state of Tennessee – and win big?

Fact Check: As mentioned before the lack of high school talent was true in the 80's through the 90's and early 2000's its no longer true. As far as geographical footprint issues that's NEVER been an issue. Knoxville is one of the best situated SEC cities as far as that. As far as the SEC and College football in general goes its one of the few colleges in a major city. Most big colleges are in podunk towns or at best cities you wouldn't know of unless you knew of that college. Most college towns you wouldn't want to visit unless there is a game. I used to also believe the myth that UT had a hard time recruiting but history has shown that's false.. when is the last year UT didn't have a top 25 recruiting class? Do you know how few teams can claim that? I did some research because my memory cant be trusted....I was able to find an article from 2021 that looked at the last 20 years of rivals. UT's average recruiting class at that time was 13.4 over 20 years ranked 11th.. That period of time is the whole desert. So where is the recruiting problem?


Why do people just suck up this garbage without using their brains and doing a bit of research on the statements people make? There are many other hilariously wrong statements (factually) in that article that I could go into but this board has a short attention span and I've already probably made a few heads explode.
 
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To be fair, at the time not single fan could have forseen the rise of Heupel. I certainly didn't.
I told everybody we would be back again. Was told I was nuts as worse things than that, things cycle and Tennessee had to many resources and fan base to never get back. GBO
 
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To be fair, at the time not single fan could have forseen the rise of Heupel. I certainly didn't.
Not trying to be a smart aleck... but there were quite a few of us who recognized UT's potential as well as that of other down programs.

I am pretty sure myself and others at the time said that the critical factor was refusing to accept anything less than championship caliber coaching. Every coach since I came to the board has had people who defended their mediocrity and in some cases failure. You cannot have that. You need to demand a high bar... and have the money to pay for it and fans to support it.

As much as I hate saying this, UF won't stay down. Their fans and supporters have high standards. They're willing to spend the money and give the support. A place like Nebraska is more nuanced because they have no local talent. Still... the right coach with money to spend and that crazy loyal fanbase... there is potential.

Hayes' argument hinged on the idea that it was as difficult to get players to drive 4-6 hours from Charlotte or Atlanta as it was to get them to fly from CA or FL or TX to Lincoln, NE... before considering what a Nebraska winter can be like. He was badly wrong. State lines don't mean what they once did in recruiting... and UT is about as nice of a destination for college as any around.


PS- I HAVE BEEN ONE OF THOSE DEFENDERS. I was wrong in thinking that Dooley deserved a little more time after he had pretty much collapsed emotionally. I defended Fulmer getting a chance to right the ship. In retrospect, the competition and way CFB worked had passed him by as he refused to adapt.
 
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If you’re Billy Napier (an assistant under both Saban and Swinney) and you’ve built a strong program at Louisiana, do you really want to be dropped into that mess – or is it more prudent to wait another year for another SEC job to open? Eight of the 14 SEC coaches who began the 2019 season have been fired.
LOVED this gem. What was the song about unanswered prayers?
 
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I never forgot about this article. I think it's time to go remind this clown on Twitter.

The truth hurts, but here it is: Tennessee, you will never be elite again...

Article:

Matt Hayes Twitter (X) Account: x.com
Nah, he's a nobody.
 
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Not trying to be a smart aleck... but there were quite a few of us who recognized UT's potential as well as that of other down programs.

I am pretty sure myself and others at the time said that the critical factor was refusing to accept anything less than championship caliber coaching. Every coach since I came to the board has had people who defended their mediocrity and in some cases failure. You cannot have that. You need to demand a high bar... and have the money to pay for it and fans to support it.

As much as I hate saying this, UF won't stay down. Their fans and supporters have high standards. They're willing to spend the money and give the support. A place like Nebraska is more nuanced because they have no local talent. Still... the right coach with money to spend and that crazy loyal fanbase... there is potential.

Hayes' argument hinged on the idea that it was as difficult to get players to drive 4-6 hours from Charlotte or Atlanta as it was to get them to fly from CA or FL or TX to Lincoln, NE... before considering what a Nebraska winter can be like. He was badly wrong. State lines don't mean what they once did in recruiting... and UT is about as nice of a destination for college as any around.
Well said sir.
 

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