Teresa to sell DEI, Stewart and Newman to Haas: The Dominos are Starting to Fall

#51
#51
615 Vol said:
There's not much reason to be brand loyal in NASCAR anymore. The cars all look the same now with different decals on the front. They still run brand motors but really, where's the bragging rights? I would sure hope these big 4 brands could build engine parts that last 500 maybe 600 miles at the most and produce 750+ hp. races are won and lost by set-ups, drivers, teams and engine builders, not brand names.
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I disagree. I know my loyalty to chevy goes way past nascar . I also know several of people in this area who pull for a make of car , not a driver or team. Almost all of these fans have a favorite driver but he's in the brand of car they prefer .I would think most of your older fans probaly dont pull for toyota . I dont know this to be true but I know what the census around here is.

As far as the bragging rights who do you think is crowing right now ? Toyota ? All the cars are made really close to one another , but right now Toyota seems superior and that sells cars !
 
#52
#52
TIGER DEN said:
I disagree. I know my loyalty to chevy goes way past nascar . I also know several of people in this area who pull for a make of car , not a driver or team. Almost all of these fans have a favorite driver but he's in the brand of car they prefer .I would think most of your older fans probaly dont pull for toyota . I dont know this to be true but I know what the census around here is.

As far as the bragging rights who do you think is crowing right now ? Toyota ? All the cars are made really close to one another , but right now Toyota seems superior and that sells cars !
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I think brand loyalty is definitely stronger with the older fans, however, I am an exception, I pull for the driver and have no problem with Toyota. Bring in Honda too! My brother on the other hand was a huge M. Martin fan, but when he went to Chevy, he switched to C. Edwards, the Ford winning is more important to him.

My previous comment was regarding drivers not being as brand loyal as they used to be.
 
#53
#53
rbroyles said:
I think brand loyalty is definitely stronger with the older fans, however, I am an exception, I pull for the driver and have no problem with Toyota. Bring in Honda too! My brother on the other hand was a huge M. Martin fan, but when he went to Chevy, he switched to C. Edwards, the Ford winning is more important to him.
My previous comment was regarding drivers not being as brand loyal as they used to be.
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I misread that RB


Even though I dont care for Ford , I like your brothers way of thinking
 
#54
#54
TIGER DEN said:
I misread that RB


Even though I dont care for Ford , I like your brothers way of thinking
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He really surprised me. He had his whole apartment full of Mark Martin stuff. I don't see how you can like a driver as much as he appeared to, and just drop him completely when he goes to another brand of car. To me he wasn't truly a Martin fan. I would pull for Mark no matter what he drove. If I like a driver, it's because of something about him, not what he drives.

But I remember when I was young, I pulled for Chrysler products, cause they were the underdogs. Plus we had a '62 Dodge Dart. I hated Ford, and wouldn't pull for any Ford drivers with one exception-Fireball Roberts.
 
#55
#55
Newman is a done deal at Stewart-Haas, now stewart is tryin to get Truex to come along with a 3rd team
 
#57
#57
Very interesting. I didn't know about a 3rd car. I would love to see a Stewart-Newman-Truex Jr team.
 
#58
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TIGER DEN said:
I disagree. I know my loyalty to Chevy goes way past nascar . I also know several of people in this area who pull for a make of car , not a driver or team. Almost all of these fans have a favorite driver but he's in the brand of car they prefer .I would think most of your older fans probably don't pull for Toyota . I don't know this to be true but I know what the census around here is.

As far as the bragging rights who do you think is crowing right now ? Toyota ? All the cars are made really close to one another , but right now Toyota seems superior and that sells cars !
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I think you misread my post. I was not saying that I don't believe people still pull for a brand, I know they do. My dad, with the exception of the Petty's, will only pull for a Chevy. What I was saying is that it doesn't mean a brand is superior because it wins a race or inferior if it loses one. They all have the technology to produce a winning motor in NASCAR and other race parts. The wins and loses, IMO, are due to the team and resources given to it. If I love Chevy and a Ford wins the race than I don't think Ford makes a superior product, I think that car had a good driver, crew chief, engine builder and team. There was a time when a car brand could be superior, that's what has changed in my opinion. As far as Toyota, I think it's more of Kyle Busch being hot right now than Toyota, he has 7 wins but he could just as easily have only 3 or 4. Carl Edwards had the car to win at Atlanta before blowing up, Jeff Gordon could have held the low line at Daytona and might have won, Jimmie Johnson could have won at Chicago with a different line and pit strategy at Sears Point could have worked out differently. That's all ifs and buts so give Kyle credit, he earned each of those wins but it shows how easily a guy could go from winning 3 races to 7 races with a few things working out differently.
 
#59
#59
Would a third team be a new team? Or would they buy owner points from another team that may fold? Or would they merge with another team? They really need Riggs to make the top 35 at the end of the year. That way they'd have at least 2 cars guranteed in the field next year. I think I'd rather put a 3 car team on hold until next year or until I got my other 2 teams sorted out. I guess you have to pull the move now if Bass Pro will come with Truex though.
 
#60
#60
neither Haas car in the 35 right now. and Smoke will only be guaranteed the first 6 with his provisional.

that shouldn't cause a problem, but i wouldn't be so sure that i'd lock him into to the top 35 right now for next year.
 
#61
#61
Riggs' is 36th in owner points isn't he? I know that putting faith in that non-racing hack isn't going to get me much, but if he can somehow get in their Haas-Stewart will be in a 100x greater position. I'm confident Tony will be in the top 35 after the first 5 races.
 
#62
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TennesseeFan07 said:
Would a third team be a new team? Or would they buy owner points from another team that may fold? Or would they merge with another team? They really need Riggs to make the top 35 at the end of the year. That way they'd have at least 2 cars guranteed in the field next year. I think I'd rather put a 3 car team on hold until next year or until I got my other 2 teams sorted out. I guess you have to pull the move now if Bass Pro will come with Truex though.
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You can't buy points, you would have to buy the team to have the points. I am not aware of any teams buyable that are in the top 35.

I think that while Newman and Stewart are similar in racing background, Truex is more like Smoke personality wise. I would rather have Truex as far as potential as well.
 
#63
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rbroyles said:
You can't buy points, you would have to buy the team to have the points. I am not aware of any teams buyable that are in the top 35.

I think that while Newman and Stewart are similar in racing background, Truex is more like Smoke personality wise. I would rather have Truex as far as potential as well.
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If a team folds like Bam or Wood Brothers you can buy up their owner points I thought. Not that those teams are even going to make the top 35, but I believe he could have bought their owner points.

As for Truex, I completely agree, other than a phenominal first 2 seasons in Sprint Cup, Newman has done nothing outside of winning the 500 this year
 
#66
#66
it's not really just Penske. it's all Dodge teams.

don't forget they made the Chase last year and won a couple of races, so it's not like they're driving dump trucks. they (#2 team) haven't been able to adjust to new car at all.
 
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#67
#67
ya that's what i'm saying. kasey kahne got on a roll there for a while, and newman and kurt each have won a race. but they are just not consistently good. you'll see kurt in the top 10 at the beginning of the race it seems like, then next thing you know he's in 30th. i'm not a k.b. fan, but i feel bad for him. he's a good driver, just has a crap team
 
#68
#68
Newman to Stewart looks to now be a done deal. Also, it's a good possibility that Yates goes to 3 cars next year. They're struggling enough to get sponsors for 2 teams though, so go figure that one
 
#69
#69
Yeah I read a bunch of NASCAR gossip so all of this is pieced together from all of the things I've heard but does this make sense to any of you:

First, we have heard that John Menard might be interested in partnering with Doug Yates and taking little Paul with him and the Menards money. This would put Yates Racing at 3 teams next year more than likely. Well, if the other two can get some sponsorships coming in - something I've heard will happen.

Next we have the overall demise of DEI. Martin will be gone, if Menard goes and takes his money that will be another of DEI's teams without a driver or sponsor. Then factor in Regan Smith basically running sponsorless right now and hanging onto the top 35 by the skin of his teeth. With all of this and rumors of DEI being bought out and all of that the next piece of the puzzle might be no DEI at all - in any shape, form, or fashion. Truex Jr could see what is going on and bail out while he can, with him and Bass Pro Shops conveniently slipping into a 3rd team at Stewart-Haas Racing.

This would eliminate all 4 of DEI's Cup efforts in my little theory above. For arguments sake lets say that 3 of them stay in the top 35 - which should happen for sure. Probably all 4 but I'll go with 3. With no team then the owners points could be bought up by, yep, Stewart-Haas racing. This way Tony wouldn't even have to worry about the Past Champ provisional and have all 3 of his cars in the top 35 going into next season.

Oh, speaking of the 66 getting back in he may do it but it will be interesting to see what happens in the next couple of races. Seems that the 70 teams scanner chatter on the pace laps at Chicago was telling him it would be a shame to see the 00 in the wall. Well a couple of laps later the 70 put the 00 in the wall - and the 66 benefited greatly. He didn't quite get back into the top 35 but now the 66 is only 14 points out. MWR, from what I've read is HIGHLY upset over this and McDowell even went on record saying we've got 3 cars to their two and lets see how easily the 66 dodges all 3 of us now since they want to play like that.

What an interesting year! By far everything off the track has been 1000x more interesting than on track racing this season.
 
#71
#71
DownNDirty said:
Oh, speaking of the 66 getting back in he may do it but it will be interesting to see what happens in the next couple of races. Seems that the 70 teams scanner chatter on the pace laps at Chicago was telling him it would be a shame to see the 00 in the wall. Well a couple of laps later the 70 put the 00 in the wall - and the 66 benefited greatly. He didn't quite get back into the top 35 but now the 66 is only 14 points out. MWR, from what I've read is HIGHLY upset over this and McDowell even went on record saying we've got 3 cars to their two and lets see how easily the 66 dodges all 3 of us now since they want to play like that.
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i hope this isn't true.

people wrecking each other or purpose to get their cars into the top 35 would be just another reason to lose that horrible rule.
 
#72
#72
Its disturbing for sure and I think that it is 100% true in this case. Now if MWR retaliates and "parks" the 66 the next race I'm sure whichever driver does it will face a severe penalty by NASCAR.
 
#73
#73
Love the gossip, DND.
Has to be a sad time for the old Dale Sr fans to see Theresa finish off the company.
It didn't have to go this way.
 
#74
#74
McLovin said:
Love the gossip, DND.
Has to be a sad time for the old Dale Sr fans to see Theresa finish off the company.
It didn't have to go this way.
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Dale, Sr should have made it clear how he wanted the company ownership to be set up.
 
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