Terrorism in Tennessee

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Equipment at site of future mosque was doused in accellerant and set on fire. That is an attempt to intimidate and frighten.

The people who did it are terrorists. The people who do not condemn it, or say that they can "understand it," are terrorist sympathizers.
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Don't know how from my phone.

But at any rate did not feel it necessary.
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I was waiting for you to post this after it broke yesterday LG. When I saw it had made MSNBC last night when I was channel surfing I knew it was a matter of time. Is condemnation really needed? The law was broken and those responsible should be punished accordingly.
 
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KB5252 said:
I was waiting for you to post this after it broke yesterday LG. When I saw it had made MSNBC last night when I was channel surfing I knew it was a matter of time. Is condemnation really needed? The law was broken and those responsible should be punished accordingly.
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Not sure that's good enough.

According to some on here, the lack of outrage by Muslims to 9/11 was proof that Islam is evil and was complicit in the terrorism of 9/11.

By the same logic, all Christians are obligated to disavow this act of terrorism. If not, Christianity is logically to blame.

That is, according to the logic of some on here.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not sure that's good enough.

According to some on here, the lack of outrage by Muslims to 9/11 was proof that Islam is evil and was complicit in the terrorism of 9/11.

By the same logic, all Christians are obligated to disavow this act of terrorism. If not, Christianity is logically to blame.

That is, according to the logic of some on here.
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Let me get this straight, you are lumping setting fire to construction equipment to the mass destruction of lives and leveling entire city blocks of a major city?

You actually think they deserve equal condemnation? A couple of idiotic rednecks as opposed to a highly organized and financed operation like we saw on 9-11. They deserve equal treatment?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not sure that's good enough.

According to some on here, the lack of outrage by Muslims to 9/11 was proof that Islam is evil and was complicit in the terrorism of 9/11.

By the same logic, all Christians are obligated to disavow this act of terrorism. If not, Christianity is logically to blame.

That is, according to the logic of some on here.
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so you expect something more than punishing via the law?

Who has to disavow? Why would any Christian disavow this as terrorism? Is all arson terrorism? Is it all done in the name of Christianity? I'm all for punishing people that break the law. As far as trying to generalize because others do - well, that's just stupid.
 
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Solid

KB5252 said:
Let me get this straight, you are lumping setting fire to construction equipment to the mass destruction of lives and leveling entire city blocks of a major city?

You actually think they deserve equal condemnation? A couple of idiotic rednecks as opposed to a highly organized and financed operation like we saw on 9-11. They deserve equal treatment?
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lawgator1 said:
Not sure that's good enough.

According to some on here, the lack of outrage by Muslims to 9/11 was proof that Islam is evil and was complicit in the terrorism of 9/11.

By the same logic, all Christians are obligated to disavow this act of terrorism. If not, Christianity is logically to blame.

That is, according to the logic of some on here.
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why are Christians obligated? Do you have inside info that you didn't post and that hasn't appeared in any news story? If so you might want to contact the police instead of stating your outrage in a message board thread
 
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Here's how I see it, if they were Christian zealots carrying out attacks in the name of Christ then they must be condemned by those of the Christian faith. If they were just some idiotic kids or drunken rednecks (much more likely given the scope of the damage) nothing more needs to be said beyond punish them according to the law.

We should just wait for the police to do their work and as details become known we can figure out which group is obligated to condemn their own.
 
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Just to get under LG's skin;

Clearly this was the work of Muslims for the express purpose of positioning themselves as victims.

As for trying to draw a comparison to 9/11...I can't even finish the thought, it's too stupid for words. Anyone got any video of Christians dancing in the streets or other celebratory acts after this incident?
 
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KB5252 said:
Let me get this straight, you are lumping setting fire to construction equipment to the mass destruction of lives and leveling entire city blocks of a major city?

You actually think they deserve equal condemnation? A couple of idiotic rednecks as opposed to a highly organized and financed operation like we saw on 9-11. They deserve equal treatment?
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KB5252 said:
Here's how I see it, if they were Christian zealots carrying out attacks in the name of Christ then they must be condemned by those of the Christian faith. If they were just some idiotic kids or drunken rednecks (much more likely given the scope of the damage) nothing more needs to be said beyond punish them according to the law.

We should just wait for the police to do their work and as details become known we can figure out which group is obligated to condemn their own.
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First, of course I am not equating the two qualitatively. I am just trying to point out that it is simply incorrect to assume that all people who might share the faith or the general politics of perpetrators are responsible for the acts of the fringe.

Second, I suppose it is possible that this was the act of some vandal who didn't even realize the significance of the site or the equipment.

I tend to doubt it. I think given the notoriety of the site there locally that whoever did it was well aware of the context and that in fact that is why they did it.

I just hope that everyone would take a deep breath and realize the level of fear and hate out there is high right now, has been spooled up by some very irresponsible grandstanding people, and realize it does not take much to push some people over the line between debate and protest versus lighting stuff on fire.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not sure that's good enough.

According to some on here, the lack of outrage by Muslims to 9/11 was proof that Islam is evil and was complicit in the terrorism of 9/11.

By the same logic, all Christians are obligated to disavow this act of terrorism. If not, Christianity is logically to blame.

That is, according to the logic of some on here.
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Jumping to conclusions? How do you know it wasn't a group of Jews?
 
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I wouldn't call it terrorism, but I would call it a hate crime. I was embarrassed to hear about the outrage last week in the news. The statements by the local church head nodders drove me nuts. Think for yourselves people! Don't turn off your brain just because you walked into a place of worship.
 
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lawgator1 said:
First, of course I am not equating the two qualitatively. I am just trying to point out that it is simply incorrect to assume that all people who might share the faith or the general politics of perpetrators are responsible for the acts of the fringe.
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are you speculating here or do you actually know something?
 
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It was obviously done as a protest of this Muslim place of worship, nobody is denying that. The people responsible for the act were obviously not organized or funded so a Christian extremist group being responsible is very unlikely. What is most likely is that they are either kids/young adults or rednecks who may or may not be religious. The fact that a Muslim place of worship was targeted does not mean it was carried out by Christians. All I am saying is let the facts come to light before you start assigning blame and calling for condemnation.
 
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Please show evidence that this was an act of Christians on behalf of some perverted view of Christianity. Likewise with political affiliation and link to motivation.

If it was designed to intimidate then it was terrorism. If not it was vandalism. Either way it was wrong.

About 2 years ago, 3 dumb arse college kids here burned down 9 or 10 Baptist churches. Turns out they were just D-bags looking for attention. It wasn't terrorism but deservedly so they are sitting in jail right now.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I just hope that everyone would take a deep breath and realize the level of fear and hate out there is high right now, has been spooled up by some very irresponsible grandstanding people, and realize it does not take much to push some people over the line between debate and protest versus lighting stuff on fire.
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Where's your outrage over the lefty that attacked a Muslim cabby in NY (a muslim who it turns out was against the Mosque site).

Where's your outrage over the lefty that fire bombed a D Congressional member's office?

More importantly since you are so convinced that political commentary leads directly to violence, where's your outrage that people on the left blamed both of the above attacks on people from the right before all the facts came out?

You've been pushing the line that right wing rhetoric is bringing right wing violence since last Summer but since that time the majority of violence (what little has occurred) has been from lefties.
 
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volinbham said:
Please show evidence that this was an act of Christians on behalf of some perverted view of Christianity. Likewise with political affiliation and link to motivation.

If it was designed to intimidate then it was terrorism. If not it was vandalism. Either way it was wrong.

About 2 years ago, 3 dumb arse college kids here burned down 9 or 10 Baptist churches. Turns out they were just D-bags looking for attention. It wasn't terrorism but deservedly so they are sitting in jail right now.
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Well, the context for this is a wee bit different.

And, I agree it could just be a bunch of kids looking for some attention. I doubt very seriously that it was an organized effort. But one naturally wonders about their motivation for choosing this target.

I don't look at this particular incident in terms of its actual effectiveness. In that respect it was just kind of lame. But it could I think properly be viewed as a warnign sign that the rhetoric from some in this country about Islam is over the top at this point.
 
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volinbham said:
Where's your outrage over the lefty that attacked a Muslim cabby in NY (a muslim who it turns out was against the Mosque site).
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Whatever happened with that, I kind of lost track. From accounts the next day it seemed like the guy basically lost his mind.
 
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I apologize if bulldozers were burned in the name of Christianity. Hopefully they will find some peace/pieces in the great junkyard in the sky.
 
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