Terrorism in Tennessee

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lawgator1 said:
Well, the context for this is a wee bit different.

And, I agree it could just be a bunch of kids looking for some attention. I doubt very seriously that it was an organized effort. But one naturally wonders about their motivation for choosing this target.

I don't look at this particular incident in terms of its actual effectiveness. In that respect it was just kind of lame. But it could I think properly be viewed as a warnign sign that the rhetoric from some in this country about Islam is over the top at this point.
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Likewise I believe your over the top prognostications about political commentary sparking violence has been proven an absurd reach. In the past two years I've seen you post all kinds of fears about the violence the right is sparking yet nothing beyond the usual petty stuff has taken place.

Perhaps it is you and those you get talking points from that are whipping this nation into a frenzy of fear? Given all your stated fears the past couple of years the point you are trying to make certainly doesn't seem to be based in reality.
 
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when chrisitian groups start celebrating in the streets about this act i'll agree with you.
 
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Lexvol said:
I apologize if bulldozers were burned in the name of Christianity. Hopefully they will find some peace/pieces in the great junkyard in the sky.
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Don't forget the 72 virgin lawn tractors!! :)

Peace be upon Caterpillar.

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(to the tune of I'm a lumberjack:)

I'm a Democrat and I'm for gays

I sleep all night and I scream all day

I hug big trees, I eat wild nuts

I protest the RNC

On Wednesdays I go marching

and protest the Anti Greens

I hug big trees, I scream and rant

I like to blame Bush followers

I accept the Muslim clothing

and help forget the towers

I hug big trees, I carry signs

supporter of Islam

I wish I'd been a Muslim

Just like dear O'bama.
 
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Gsvol.... this has nothing to do with the current topic but I was reading the other day and thought of you. Do you think Patton's planned outbreak of Normandy to trap the escaping German Army was halted by Marshall?
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Gsvol.... this has nothing to do with the current topic but I was reading the other day and thought of you. Do you think Patton's planned outbreak of Normandy to trap the escaping German Army was halted by Marshall?
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Not sure. I think historians generally say that higher ups considered the move too risky, I'm not sure just how much say Marshall had in it though.

Prior to the war Marshall was in charge of America's cooperative farming system devised by Roosevelt as a sort of American style copy of the the Soviet type of collectivation of agriculture.

When we entered WWII Marshall wanted an immediate invasion of France in order to relieve pressure on the USSR. We would have been ripped to shreds.

Cooler heads prevailed and we first invaded North Africa.

Here is a question, why did we invade France at Normandy when we could have landed in Vichy France and been established far inland before even being fired upon rather then facing withering fire at Normandy, for anything other than political considerations??

I know the Marshall plan is considered a huge success but look how that started all the governments of western Europe down the path to having more socialistic style governments.

I realize also that most academians consider having more socialism as a good thing.

Do you think Marshall held Patton back and if so, why??
 
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lawgator1 said:
Whatever happened with that, I kind of lost track. From accounts the next day it seemed like the guy basically lost his mind.
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You lost track because it was a liberal that did the attack. I agree with you, libs have basically lost their mind. :crazy:
 
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As Dan Qualye said when he was trying to state the United Negro College Fund slogan "What a terrible thing it is to lose one's mind"
 
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lawgator1 said:
Equipment at site of future mosque was doused in accellerant and set on fire. That is an attempt to intimidate and frighten.

The people who did it are terrorists. The people who do not condemn it, or say that they can "understand it," are terrorist sympathizers.
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True. Now, are you consistent when it goes the other way?
 
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lawgator1 said:
First, of course I am not equating the two qualitatively. I am just trying to point out that it is simply incorrect to assume that all people who might share the faith or the general politics of perpetrators are responsible for the acts of the fringe.
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They are if they are in a position to stop it or make a stand against it.

IF these people profess to be Christians doing this act as Christians AND IF 80% of Christians either sit silent or else support the terrorists... then you can say they are aiding and abetting the acts without committing them.

Second, I suppose it is possible that this was the act of some vandal who didn't even realize the significance of the site or the equipment.
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Or it might have been the act of someone who hated Muslims for some other motivation than their "Christian" beliefs.

I just hope that everyone would take a deep breath and realize the level of fear and hate out there is high right now, has been spooled up by some very irresponsible grandstanding people, and realize it does not take much to push some people over the line between debate and protest versus lighting stuff on fire.
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Who is ratcheting up the fear and emotion? Those who are trying to flesh out the TRUTH or those condemning them while trying to ignore/cover up the truth. Let the sunlight in... Lies will NOT diminish fears or violence from "fringe" elements.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
so you expect something more than punishing via the law?

Who has to disavow? Why would any Christian disavow this as terrorism? Is all arson terrorism? Is it all done in the name of Christianity? I'm all for punishing people that break the law. As far as trying to generalize because others do - well, that's just stupid.
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I don't think they should be punished worse than anyone else convicted of arson, but I could understand wanting to illustrate WHY this happened to a greater degree.

since 9/11, it seems Islam has been synonymous with terrorism by a wide, general opinion (despite one if its smallest, most extreme sects being the culprit of terror activity in the US), and because of that, terrorist activities exhibited by other groups (regardless of size or creed) are rather downplayed.

I hope other news stations covered this, because it kind of plays into the Islamaphobes when the only station broadcasting the story is the sickeningly most liberal station often viewed as un-American by those very same people.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Whatever happened with that, I kind of lost track. From accounts the next day it seemed like the guy basically lost his mind.
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Sounds likes you're still more outraged over a fire being set than a guy physically harming someone.
 
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Until it is determined that this was done to promote a particular cause in the name of politics or religion, it should be considered vandalism. And punished as such.

Terrorism: the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes. Systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve some goal. The unlawful use or threat of violence esp. against the state or the public as a politically motivated means of attack or coercion.

Vandalism:Deliberately mischievous or malicious destruction or damage of property.
 
#42
#42
Can we get a name change on this thread? Please change to - "LG Thinks there was Terrorism in TN - Another Fine gator Tradition"
Thanks
 
#43
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I saw the footage in the local news the night this occurred. The extent of the vandalism, as I saw from the footage, was that a thin board sign was kicked in half and the front end of a small crane type tractor was burned. The tractor was probably only a small delay, since the fire did not appear to have burned long enough to do much damage. This type of vandalism is relatively common at construction sites, but already the local media reports were freaking out and jumping to assumptions over the fact that it had occurred at the site of a mosque under construction.

If and until the vandals are identified and their motivation is determined, all of this hysteria puffing this story up as being newsworthy is simply political posturing. :yes:

I'm sure our resident hypocrite hyperventilates like this every time a Christian church building is vandalized or burned, which occurs with much regularity in this country, since his principal and center most drive is the protection of Constitutional liberties in our country. :moon2:
 
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I hope there is another terror attack in lg's mind in tn in a couple weeks
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One of the more prominent citizens opposing the local mosque received sinister threatening phone calls, so ACLG may be right, terrorism has come to Tennessee.
 
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Everybody knows what really happened here. No one wants the Muslims to build their stupid little mosque there, so in an attempt to get some sympathy from larger media sources, they damaged some equipment themselves. Happens all the time.

Anyone who really wanted to do some damage or really wanted to delay the construction could and would have done a much better job.

This is the reason why we will never see a story on the police catching the culprits.
 
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