Texas A&M leaves Big 12 (officially)

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"Texas A&M's Addition To SEC Wouldn't Mean Much To TV Contracts"

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"Based on their record over a period of time, it doesn't appear like Texas A&M is going to be in the top tier of teams in the SEC. So if there's any adjustment to the TV deals, I would anticipate that it would be a very modest adjustment, if anything."

If A&M was added as an equal partner, the TV deals would have to be bumped up by 8.3 percent in order for the SEC members to make the same money they make now off the TV deals. It's not a guarantee that will happen.
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If this is true, I say forget it. I think we're being oversold the true interest level of A&M football in Texas.

What's the ratio of Longhorn fans to Aggie fans? 4 to 1?
 
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Rovell tweets that A&M would have been 9th in merchandise sales if it had been in the SEC last year.
 
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99gator said:
i wouldn't call it an assumption as much as it is a guess. i don't necessarily think it's what should happen either.

if you don't like expansion, that's fine. i get it and that's your opinion.

but, there are things that can be done to preserve rivalries.

in addition, we all need to break out our history books regarding league play.

florida hardly ever played mississippi, tennessee, or alabama before 1992. so, if a league member doesn't play another league member but twice every twelve years or so......that's not breaking new ground.

i believe the real angst some of you have (but won't admit it) is that there may be more competitors being added to the league that would threaten to make life a lot more difficult for tennessee.
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Of course things can be done to preserve rivalries; the question is whether they will be. Adding teams and figuring out schedules opens up a whole bunch of competing issues. Faced with similar issues in the 90s, the Big 12 threw a storied rivalry like Oklahoma-Nebraska over the side. They had alternatives too; they just didn't choose to use them.

Tennessee-Alabama is a game that I've shared with my great-grandfather, my grandfather, my father, and now my son. It's been the biggest day of the sports year for my family for at least 60 years, regardless of how good either of the teams are. I'm not going to apologize for worrying that that game's going to go away until I see the conference say differently.

As a Florida fan, you have no idea what that kind of continuity and history feels like, so please STHU up about what the "real angst" we have about it is.
 
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Velo Vol said:
"Texas A&M's Addition To SEC Wouldn't Mean Much To TV Contracts"

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If this is true, I say forget it. I think we're being oversold the true interest level of A&M football in Texas.

What's the ratio of Longhorn fans to Aggie fans? 4 to 1?
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I would guess 10 to 1. Aggie fans are people who went to the school. Longhorn fans are everybody else in the state. I'd guess that it's roughly comparable to Georgia and Georgia Tech fans in the state of Georgia.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Of course things can be done to preserve rivalries; the question is whether they will be. Adding teams and figuring out schedules opens up a whole bunch of competing issues. Faced with similar issues in the 90s, the Big 12 threw a storied rivalry like Oklahoma-Nebraska over the side. They had alternatives too; they just didn't choose to use them.

Tennessee-Alabama is a game that I've shared with my great-grandfather, my grandfather, my father, and now my son. It's been the biggest day of the sports year for my family for at least 60 years, regardless of how good either of the teams are. I'm not going to apologize for worrying that that game's going to go away until I see the conference say differently.

As a Florida fan, you have no idea what that kind of continuity and history feels like, so please STHU up about what the "real angst" we have about it is.
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1. that's painfully wrong

2. the tennessee-alabama rivalry is not going anywhere
 
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99gator said:
1. that's painfully wrong

2. the tennessee-alabama rivalry is not going anywhere
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Lulz, look deep into his red gator eyes (or Muschamp's stroke eye) and repeat this...everything will be ok.

It will be what it will be. I do believe the TN-AL rivalry is old enough and has enough interest from both schools for it to attempt to be saved but there will be a lot of competing interests.
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Velo Vol said:
"Texas A&M's Addition To SEC Wouldn't Mean Much To TV Contracts"

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If this is true, I say forget it. I think we're being oversold the true interest level of A&M football in Texas.

What's the ratio of Longhorn fans to Aggie fans? 4 to 1?
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People need to wake up, this is not specifically about the contracts today, it's about remaining the 900lb gorilla for any and all future negotiations. A&M is as vanilla as they come but it's the only game in TX worth having that you can actually get. It's worth it, maybe not today but this is about staying ahead of the curve. I think it's what has to happen to get to a playoff so I say kick the dominoes over.
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99gator said:
1. that's painfully wrong

2. the tennessee-alabama rivalry is not going anywhere
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If you're one of the 3 percent of Gator fans that grew up watching with your grandpa as your team got its arse kicked every year by Georgia back in the day, then my apologies. There are indeed some old-school long-suffering Gator fans like that; they're just few and far between. You can always tell them because to this day they act like almost everything since 1992 is a wonderful, unbelievable dream and they're terrified they're going to wake up at any minute.
 
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DD4ME said:
People need to wake up, this is not specifically about the contracts today, it's about remaining the 900lb gorilla for any and all future negotiations.
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Don't the SEC's current TV contracts go for 10+ more years? If we're not going to get a substantial notification, what's the point in rushing into something else? The entire landscape might be different in five years.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
If you're one of the 3 percent of Gator fans that grew up watching with your grandpa as your team got its arse kicked every year by Georgia back in the day, then my apologies. There are indeed some old-school long-suffering Gator fans like that; they're just few and far between. You can always tell them because to this day they act like almost everything since 1992 is a wonderful, unbelievable dream and they're terrified they're going to wake up at any minute.
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i know you are really going to get ticked off when you read this.......but.......

there are more former florida students and florida graduates walking the earth than there are former tennessee students and graduates walking the earth. it isn't even close.

there are more gator fans of all ages than there are tennessee fans.

if you began attending the university of florida in 1980 at the age of 18, you would be 49 years old and have known nothing but winning since your days as a student (florida is the 3rd winningest program in the country since 1980).

if you began attending the university of florida in 1956 at the age of 18, you would now be 73 years old. and you would have seen florida win more football games since that time than all but 8 other schools........and that includes winning more football games than tennessee.

so, i'll leave it at this.

i won't pretend that florida has been god's gift to football since the game was invented if other people out there are willing to concede that florida actually has had fans and alumni for a very long time.
 
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DD4ME said:
Lulz, look deep into his red gator eyes (or Muschamp's stroke eye) and repeat this...everything will be ok.

It will be what it will be. I do believe the TN-AL rivalry is old enough and has enough interest from both schools for it to attempt to be saved but there will be a lot of competing interests.
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Well, exactly. There are three important cross-divisional rivalry games in question: UT-Alabama, UGA-Auburn, and UF-LSU. They're not going to dump them lightly, obviously; I just don't think that it's a slam dunk that when they go into that room and sort out how the heck they're going to deal with divisions and scheduling, those three games are going to end up at the top of the list.
 
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99gator said:
i know you are really going to get ticked off when you read this.......but.......

there are more former florida students and florida graduates walking the earth than there are former tennessee students and graduates walking the earth. it isn't even close.

there are more gator fans of all ages than there are tennessee fans.

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i won't pretend that florida has been god's gift to football since the game was invented if other people out there are willing to concede that florida actually has had fans and alumni for a very long time.
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Oh come on. It isn't about sheer numbers of alumni; Rutgers has more alumni than all of us. I know a bunch of Gators here in Atlanta and even they joke about how everybody they know jumped on the football bandwagon when Spurrier started winning. One of the Gator women is the daughter of a guy who played on the team in the 70s, and sometimes when she gets three beers in her she starts lighting into her husband and his friends about being a bunch of useless frontrunners who take this winning shiat for granted.

When you have a team that committed the unforgivably chickenshiat Gator Flop and a fanbase that's almost universally never heard of it, you know nobody's been paying attention that long.
 
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how about this idea......(i am willing to bet most of you would hate it, though)

it won't completely make geographical sense, but follow me.

let's say they expand to add two from the west and two from the east. or just one from the west and one from the east.

move tennessee and vandy to the west and auburn and alabama to the east.

you save all of your rivalries. you bring back florida-auburn. you lose florida-tennessee (historically insignificant). you bring back tennessee-ole miss. you also lose tennessee-georgia, also historically insignificant.

edit: nevermind, you also lose tennessee-kentucky. don't know if that would be a deal breaker or not.
 
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99gator said:
how about this idea......(i am willing to bet most of you would hate it, though)

it won't completely make geographical sense, but follow me.

let's say they expand to add two from the west and two from the east. or just one from the west and one from the east.

move tennessee and vandy to the west and auburn and alabama to the east.
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Pretty much the best options are either: move bama east
Move auburn east
Move ole miss east
Move miss St east (easiest option possibly)
Or move vandy west and move a west rivalry east (ole miss & miss St or bama and auburn)
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truth be told auburn belongs in the east.

auburn-fl
auburn-ga
auburn-tenn

were all long standing series.
 
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99gator said:
truth be told auburn belongs in the east.

auburn-fl
auburn-ga
auburn-tenn

were all long standing series.
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People are afraid though that if just auburn's moved east by itself, then the powers that be would rule it more important than the Tennessee Alabama game

I guess (if a 9 team conference game slate was adopted) you could go back to 2 constant yearly opposite divisions....but seems overall more a mess
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Anyone arguing Florida's success within the last 50 years is blinded by hate. It is neat to have success before that, but who really cares.

All you have to do is look at enrollment numbers to realize Florida graduates more than Tennessee. But I would say % wise, more Tennessee graduates care about the athletics program than Florida grads. That isn't a scientific statement. Perhaps this is where the fair-weather stuff comes from though.

Anyway, I like the addition of A&M, and at least one (or 3) other team(s). Not because it directly benefits Tennessee or the SEC. Mainly because it moves us closer to a college playoff system. I don't think A&M individually would hurt Tennessee's rebuilding in any way/shape/form.
 
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Most of the main rivalry games are in a fairly tight little circle: Georgia-Florida, Florida-Tennessee, Tennessee-Alabama, Alabama-Auburn, Auburn-Georgia. You could keep most of the rivalries intact if you put those five teams in one of the divisions. Plus Kentucky and South Carolina.

But then the other division would be, what? LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Texas A&M, Vandy, and the Team To Be Named Later. Scheduling-wise, it would work out great (other than losing UF-LSU). But damn, the East would be tough.
 
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TrueOrange said:
People are afraid though that if just auburn's moved east by itself, then the powers that be would rule it more important than the Tennessee Alabama game

I guess (if a 9 team conference game slate was adopted) you could go back to 2 constant yearly opposite divisions....but seems overall more a mess
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Well, if Auburn and UT were in the same division, then it would technically be a bigger deal.
 
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MystifyingVol said:
I still like this setup: The Final Four of College Football in the SEC? Dare to Dream The expansion candidates are off though.
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I like this
"There's a reason South Carolina, Vanderbilt and Kentucky have never, and probably will never, win the SEC East as it's presently constituted. Because they have to overcome three traditional heavyweights to get there -- Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee. It's not enough for any two of those programs to stumble in a given year, all three must."
 
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Lot of moving parts. They say it's a good ol' boy conference though so if horse trading is what we want we're in the right place to likely get it. I personally like the division setup when rules allow for a 2 game playoff. Which is where I think all the super conferences would be headed. Tie the bowls into a championship and everyone wins, teams get their championship games plus bowl games, hard to argue with just giving us all more games.
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Vercingetorix said:
Oh come on. It isn't about sheer numbers of alumni; Rutgers has more alumni than all of us. I know a bunch of Gators here in Atlanta and even they joke about how everybody they know jumped on the football bandwagon when Spurrier started winning. One of the Gator women is the daughter of a guy who played on the team in the 70s, and sometimes when she gets three beers in her she starts lighting into her husband and his friends about being a bunch of useless frontrunners who take this winning shiat for granted.

When you have a team that committed the unforgivably chickenshiat Gator Flop and a fanbase that's almost universally never heard of it, you know nobody's been paying attention that long.
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So because you know of some "bandwagon" Florida fans, that means most of them are? If that's the case, UT has a crap ton of bandwagon fans since I know several who know squat about UT before Peyton Manning showed up.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
So because you know of some "bandwagon" Florida fans, that means most of them are? If that's the case, UT has a crap ton of bandwagon fans since I know several who know squat about UT before Peyton Manning showed up.
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All I know is what they themselves tell me. When the daughter of a former player complains that most of the Gator fans her age and younger all jumped on the bandwagon when Spurrier started winning, I tend to believe her.

The only reason I brought it up is because I had a Gator telling me that the real reason I'm concerned about expansion is because I'm afraid of A&M. And no, it's because I'm concerned about the future of a rivalry game that's been important to my family for decades. Considering what the population of Florida was like 50, 60, 70 years ago, I guarantee there are a hell of a lot more Tennessee fans who grew up watching games with their grandfather and great-grandfathers than there are Florida fans.
 
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