Texas SWAT team responds to hostage situation at synagogue: 'I'm going to die'

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British just detained two teenagers, how’s it going to look for the FBI statement if this shows group planning?
 
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Looks like the FBI is having to back track some after being called out by the Jewish American communities.
 
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KB5252 said:
Looks like the FBI is having to back track some after being called out by the Jewish American communities.
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I can see the difference in viewpoint. The guy comes in and takes hostages but is focused on trying to free one person. But then it turns out that she committed terrorism against Jews. So it was a focus on one person but at the same time was generally an attack on Jews.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I can see the difference in viewpoint. The guy comes in and takes hostages but is focused on trying to free one person. But then it turns out that she committed terrorism against Jews. So it was a focus on one person but at the same time was generally an attack on Jews.
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It's almost like if you know more facts and don't take the one quote out of context, then all the information together makes more sense.
 
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Wireless1 said:
British just detained two teenagers, how’s it going to look for the FBI statement if this shows group planning?
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The FBI didn't say it wasn't a terrorist act. They didn't say it wasn't planned by a group.

The FBI didn't say anything about the Jewish community being singled out. They said it was motivated by an issue that isn't directly related to the Jewish community. In no way was the official saying the Jewish community wasn't specifically targeted.
 
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LouderVol said:
If only they took this advice ALL the time. Instead of when it was convenient.
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It's amazing to me that the same people who argue tirelessly that Trump was taken out of context are so often the same people committing this offense. And you can show them they're doing it, and many still won't back off.

Like when Lebron said repeatedly that he didn't have an opinion on Hong Kong vs. China, and that Morey was ignorant about the impact of his comments....you can show people the entire quote, plus the follow-up clarification, but they will laugh at you and will never stop believing that Lebron said Morey's comment was ignorant about China vs. Hong Kong.
 
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It's amazing to me that the same people who argue tirelessly that Trump was taken out of context are so often the same people committing this offense. And you can show them they're doing it, and many still won't back off.

Like when Lebron said repeatedly that he didn't have an opinion on Hong Kong vs. China, and that Morey was ignorant about the impact of his comments....you can show people the entire quote, plus the follow-up clarification, but they will laugh at you and will never stop believing that Lebron said Morey's comment was ignorant about China vs. Hong Kong.
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Only you would bring up Lebron in a thread about FBI, terrorism, and the Jewish community. Poor Lebron...
 
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n_huffhines said:
It's amazing to me that the same people who argue tirelessly that Trump was taken out of context are so often the same people committing this offense. And you can show them they're doing it, and many still won't back off.

Like when Lebron said repeatedly that he didn't have an opinion on Hong Kong vs. China, and that Morey was ignorant about the impact of his comments....you can show people the entire quote, plus the follow-up clarification, but they will laugh at you and will never stop believing that Lebron said Morey's comment was ignorant about China vs. Hong Kong.
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The initial impact matters. Getting the truth or agenda out first sets peoples opinions.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It's almost like if you know more facts and don't take the one quote out of context, then all the information together makes more sense.
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And yet, if people did that, then the entire narrative on Jan 6 would go up like a puff of smoke. (and so would 80% of the programming on cable news channels).
 
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Gandalf said:
And yet, if people did that, then the entire narrative on Jan 6 would go up like a puff of smoke. (and so would 80% of the programming on cable news channels).
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I have no idea what you're talking about. You're saying the entire Jan 6 conversation hinges on out-of-context quotes?
 
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LouderVol said:
The initial impact matters. Getting the truth or agenda out first sets peoples opinions.
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Yeah, and the impact is made through whatever lens you choose to view it. We all know the FBI has been politicized to some degree and we all know the FBI misrepresents, but that shouldn't necessarily be the expectation. So we see Islam vs. Judaism and we see a perfectly accurate quote from the FBI that sounds off for some reason, and instead of thinking "it's likely that I need more context" we think "it's likely the FBI is lying because of politics."
 
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n_huffhines said:
I have no idea what you're talking about. You're saying the entire Jan 6 conversation hinges on out-of-context quotes?
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Havent you heard? Orange man bellowed out orders to his deranged followers to storm the capital and take over the country for him?

“And after this, we’re going to walk down, and I’ll be there with you. We’re going to walk down. We’re going to walk down any one you want, but I think right here. We’re going to walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them, because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.”

“We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. Today we will see whether Republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections, but whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time, far longer than this four-year period.”

I mean this is full-on Adolf Hitler calling to the Third Reich, "storm the Bastille" speech amaright? :rolleyes:
 
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Gandalf said:
Havent you heard? Orange man bellowed out orders to his deranged followers to storm the capital and take over the country for him?

“And after this, we’re going to walk down, and I’ll be there with you. We’re going to walk down. We’re going to walk down any one you want, but I think right here. We’re going to walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them, because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.”

“We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. Today we will see whether Republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections, but whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time, far longer than this four-year period.”

I mean this is full-on Adolf Hitler calling to the Third Reich, "storm the Bastille" speech amaright? :rolleyes:
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OK, you said "entire narrative on Jan 6 " not "the narrative on Jan 6 against Trump", thus my confusion. There is plenty to be said about Jan 6 without mentioning Trump.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah, and the impact is made through whatever lens you choose to view it. We all know the FBI has been politicized to some degree and we all know the FBI misrepresents, but that shouldn't necessarily be the expectation. So we see Islam vs. Judaism and we see a perfectly accurate quote from the FBI that sounds off for some reason, and instead of thinking "it's likely that I need more context" we think "it's likely the FBI is lying because of politics."
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Or how about " the FBI handled this differently, I wonder why?"
 
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Was the Terrorist Attack in Colleyville a Replay of the Terrorist Attack in Garland in 2015?
January 17, 2022 | sundance | 101 Comments
I have intentionally not written about the terrorist attack in Colleyville, Texas, because my initial review saw significant parallels to the first ISIS attack on U.S. soil which took place in 2015 at Garland Texas, carried out by Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi.
In the Garland attack the FBI organized, facilitated and coordinated the attack. The FBI even drove the terrorists to the attack venue and then left once the shooting began. Yes, you read that correctly, the first ISIS attack on U.S. soil was organized by the FBI. {Go Deep} CTH dug deep on the 2015 Garland attack, so it wasn’t too difficult to spot the similarities between Garland 2015 and Colleyville 2022.
♦ Colleyville, Texas – Malik Faisal Akram, who was known as Faisal Akram, had a well known Islamic extremist history to British and American intelligence. Akram ranted, prior to his travel to the U.S, that he wished he had died in the 9/11 terror attacks. He was a regular visitor to Pakistan, and reportedly a member of the Tablighi Jamaat group set up to ‘purify’ Islam. To say the U.S. intelligence system knew Faisal Akram would be an understatement. The FBI knowledge of Akram has now been confirmed by The Daily Mail.
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So, the questions become: (1) how did Faisal Akram gain a visa to enter the United States? (2) Who did he visit? (3) Who gave him the weapon? (4) Who facilitated his travel and targeting operations; and lastly, (5) who financed and assisted him in his attack?
Unfortunately, the most obvious answer is just like the 2015 Garland example, the FBI was his enabler.
Akram entered the synagogue around 11am Saturday morning as a service was live streamed online. Akram shouted anti-Semitic rants at the Jewish members, took them hostage and then demanded the release of convicted terrorist Aafia Siddiqu, whom he referred to as his ‘sister’. The location in Colleyville seems significant, because ‘Lady al-Qaeda’ is being held in a federal prison about 20 miles from Colleyville, at FMC Carswell in Fort Worth.

(Daily Mail) – The Texas rabbi who escaped from British gunman Malik Faisal Akram after a 12-hour stand-off on Saturday said he welcomed him into his synagogue because he ‘looked like he needed shelter’ and gave him a cup of tea.
Rabbi Charlie Cytron-Walker also explained that he threw a chair at Akram at Beth Israel Congregation in Colleyville, Texas, on Saturday so that he and two other hostages were able to escape.
[…] The rabbi also revealed that towards the end of the stand-off, he feared he would be killed because the gunman wasn’t ‘getting what he wanted’.
‘It didn’t look good. It didn’t sound good. We were terrified.’
The hostages only escaped when he threw a chair in the gunman’s face and bolted for the exit.
SWAT teams killed the gunman afterwards, once all of the hostages were out safely.
‘When I saw an opportunity where he wasn’t in a good position, I made sure the two gentlemen who were still with him, that they were ready to go. The exit wasn’t too far away.
‘I told them to go, I threw a chair at the gunman and I headed to the door and all three of us were able to get out without even a shot being fired,’ he said. (read more)
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BACKGROUND on FBI – The FBI was fully aware of the Boston Marathon bombers, the Tsarnaev brothers, before they executed their plot. The FBI took no action. The FBI knew about the San Bernardino terrorists, specifically Tasfeen Malik, and were monitoring her phone calls and communications before her and Syed Farook executed their attack killing 14 people and leaving 22 others seriously injured. The FBI took no action. The FBI knew Colorado grocery store shooter Ahmad Alissa before he executed his attack. The FBI took no action.
The FBI knew in advance of the Pulse Nightclub shooter (Omar Mateen) and were tipped off by the local sheriff. The FBI knew in advance of the San Bernardino Terrorists (Tashfeen Malik). The FBI knew in advance of the Boston Marathon Bombers (the Tsarnaev brothers) tipped off by Russians. The FBI knew in advance of the Parkland High School shooter (Nikolas Cruz). The FBI knew in advance of the Fort Hood shooter (Nidal Hasan), and the FBI knew in advance of Colorado grocery store shooter Ahmad al-Aliwi Alissa. The FBI took no action.
As mentioned, the case of the first recorded ISIS attack on U.S. soil was in Garland, Texas in 2015. The FBI not only knew the shooters (Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi) in advance, BUT the FBI ALSO took the shooters to the venue and were standing only a few yards away when Simpson and Soofi opened fire. Yes, you read that correctly – the FBI took the terrorists to the event and then watched it unfold. “An FBI trainer suggested in an interview with “60 Minutes” that, had the attack been bigger, the agency’s numerous ties to the shooter would have led to a congressional investigation.”
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Remember, shortly before the 2018 mid-term election, when Ceasar Syoc – a man living in his van – was caught sending “energetic material that can become combustible when subjected to heat or friction”, or what FBI Director Christopher Wray called “not hoax devices”? Remember how sketchy everything about that was, including the child-like perpetrator telling a judge later that he was trying to walk back his guilty plea, because he was tricked into signing a confession for a crime he did not create.
Or more recently, the goofball plot to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer that involved 18 suspects, twelve of them actually working for the FBI as the plot was hatched? And we cannot forget the January 6th. DC protest turned insurrection effort, which is clearly looking like an FBI inspired and coordinated effort.
Have we forgotten the Atlanta “Olympic Park Bombing”, and the FBI intentionally setting up transparently innocent, Richard Jewel?
Then, there’s the entirety of the FBI conduct in “Spygate”, the demonstrably evident FBI operation to conduct political surveillance against Donald Trump using their investigative authorities; and the downstream consequences of a massive institutional effort to cover up one of the biggest justice department scandals in the history of our nation. The original effort against Donald Trump used massive resources from the DOJ and FBI. Heck, the coverup operation using the Mueller/Weissmann special counsel used more than 50 investigative FBI agents alone.
And of course, the FBI still had 13 extra agents available to rush to a NASCAR racetrack to investigate a garage door pull-down rope that might have been perceived as a noose; but the serial rape of hundreds of teenage girls, eh, not-so-much effort – even when they are standing in front of the FBI begging for help.
[At this point, I am increasingly convinced by evidence the FBI themselves are the perpetrators involved in sex trafficking, human smuggling and abduction as part of their operational mission.]
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It is important to realize what exactly happened in the case of the Olympic gymnasts and the rape of hundreds of teenage girls. When the victims and parents told the FBI about what Larry Nassar was doing, the FBI did not bungle the investigation. The FBI did not investigate.
But worse…. after the parents kept coming back to the FBI to ask what was going on, and report that other parents were now reporting that new rapes and assaults were ongoing, the FBI told those parents an investigation was ongoing. Except it wasn’t. The FBI was lying.
As the FBI was telling the victims they were investigating Larry Nassar, the FBI was doing no such thing. The FBI was lying to the victims and their families. The FBI was not taking any action whatsoever to address the multitude of claims against Nassar.
After the FBI was caught lying about their conduct, they then lied to the internal oversight, the OIG, about everything surrounding their conduct. The FBI didn’t make a mistake, or drop the proverbial ball, they intentionally and specifically maintained the sexual exploitation of teenage girls by doing absolutely nothing with the complaints they received. This is not misconduct, this is purposeful.
Then, as if to apply salt to the open wound of severe FBI politicization….what did the FBI do with the Hunter Biden laptop?
[Notice I’ve set the issue of the disappearing Huma Abedin/Anthony Weiner laptop –in the known custody of the FBI– over there in the corner, next to missing investigation of the Awan brothers.]
♦My point is this…
What the Federal Security Service (FSB) is to the internal security of the Russian state; so too is the FBI in performing the same function for the U.S. federal government.
The FBI is a U.S. version of the Russian “State Police”; and the FBI is deployed -almost exclusively- to attack domestic enemies of those who control government, while they protect the interests of the U.S. Fourth Branch of Government. That is the clear and accurate domestic prism to contextualize their perceived mission: “domestic violent extremists pose the greatest threat” to their objective.
Put another way, “We The People”, who fight against government abuse and usurpation, are the FBI’s actual and literal enemy.
Let me be very clear with another brutally obvious example. Antifa could not exist as an organization, capable to organize and carry out violent attacks against their targets, without the full support of the FBI. If the FBI wanted to arrest members of Antifa, who are actually conducting violence, they could do it easily – with little effort.
It is the absence of any action by the FBI toward Antifa, that tells us the FBI is enabling that violent extremist behavior to continue. Once you accept that transparent point of truth, then, you realize the FBI definition of domestic violent extremism is something else entirely.
The FBI is not a law enforcement or investigative division of the U.S. Department of Justice. The FBI is a political weapon of a larger institution that is now focused almost entirely toward supporting a radical communist agenda to destroy civil society in the United States.
The current mission of the FBI is to facilitate, preserve and protect the administration of Joe Biden. The attack in Colleyville presents as a purposeful distraction from a multitude of extremely bad headlines overwhelming the administration as a direct result of leftist policy.
Something intentional happened to allow Faisal Akram entry into the U.S, and anyone who continues to push the fraudulent “honorable FBI rank and file talking point”, is, at this point in history, willfully and purposefully operating to deceive the American people on behalf of government interests who are intent on destroying us.
It is not a difference of opinion any longer. It is now just a matter of accepting what is staring us in the face.
 
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This happened less than 2 miles from where I grew up. I’m tired of these Muslims and I’m more tired of everyone else ignoring what they do. You’d think we’d have learned our lesson after 9/11. The attorney general of Michigan is already trying to shift the blame off Muslims by blabbering about white supremacy. It’d be laughable if it wasn’t so scary
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
The chick he wanted turned loose thinks the Jews did 9/11 to screw Muslims.
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She married someone that was involved in it. Shot at our troops, was in possession of chemicals to be weaponized and yet elements of our media act like she’s a victim. We’ve lost our collective minds. She’s jailed in Texas she belongs in Gitmo
 
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hog88 said:
Why? They’re mostly girlie men in Western California.
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Spouse actually grew up in Colleyville and went to Colleyville Middle, which is essentially next door to the synagogue.

I guess she would qualify as "girlie"
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah, and the impact is made through whatever lens you choose to view it. We all know the FBI has been politicized to some degree and we all know the FBI misrepresents, but that shouldn't necessarily be the expectation. So we see Islam vs. Judaism and we see a perfectly accurate quote from the FBI that sounds off for some reason, and instead of thinking "it's likely that I need more context" we think "it's likely the FBI is lying because of politics."
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Your first line is true, but actually where the problem is. Look at the people trying to pretend this wasn't a Muslim who hated Jews, look at the media, now look at this thread. Look at the media, and posters here, during the guy who drove into a parade to kill white people. Compare it to the media, and posters here, on the story of Rittenhouse. I'm not saying what Rittenhouse did was correct, but you got posters here crying he was a white supremacist, because that's what the media painted, yet he only shot white people. The same people act like the guy in the parade really had car trouble and didn't mean it, and this had nothing to do with muslims and Jews. January last year was horrible, but it wasn't what the media, and many here tried to make it. It wasn't worse than 9/11, and it wasn't worse than pearl harbor. People choose to see it that way, because their TV, and certain politicians, tell them to. I'll throw this in for you, trump wasn't some great Christian man who represented Jesus like some believe. That's what some on the right painted, so people believed it. Every story you see like this on the news is political, and the media makes sure to paint it that way, especially politicians. You already have a Democrat blaming white people, because a Muslim attacked Jews. It's all political, and people refuse to see any truth, other than what lines up with their party.
 
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