Thank you USC...

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I've said it for years. I can't get mad at Kiffin for going to Southern Cal, because if I was given the opportunity to coach at Tennessee with a much higher salary, I'd have taken it in a heartbeat. My example is Bo Pelini. The year Fulmer was fired, Pelini was 1 season into his Nebraska gig. While Nebraska is a Top 15 job which was a decade removed from consecutive 'ships, I would have been chomping at the bit to take the job in Knoxville. I can't hate Kiffin for it because I'm not a hypocrite.
 
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Remy said:
I'm not a real big fan of Kiffin, but lest you doubt his ability to coach, he took a bunch of walk ons, scrubs, and rejects to Bammer and gave them the first real ballgame the Vols have put forward in recent memory. Give the devil his due, he had Saban's number, CBJ will someday, Kiffin did it then.
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The numbers may have been down but it had plenty of talent. 6 players drafted that year and 2 or them were first round picks.
 
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txbo said:
The numbers may have been down but it had plenty of talent. 6 players drafted that year and 2 or them were first round picks.
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If he had a quarterback who had his confidence at the beginning of the season, any semblance of an offensive line, or a better kicker, we beat Alabama. Against Alabama and Florida that year (both undefeated in the SEC), we lost by a total score of 35-23. The combined scores from the two previous years: 159-52. Don't act like just talent of that senior/junior class was the reason they did well that year.

Oh, and what did he do to fix those problems? He brought in a top QB, the #1 kicker, and a started building the O-Line.
 
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crusse10 said:
If he had a quarterback who had his confidence at the beginning of the season, any semblance of an offensive line, or a better kicker, we beat Alabama. Against Alabama and Florida that year (both undefeated in the SEC), we lost by a total score of 35-23. The combined scores from the two previous years: 159-52. Don't act like just talent of that senior/junior class was the reason they did well that year.

Oh, and what did he do to fix those problems? He brought in a top QB, the #1 kicker, and a started building the O-Line.
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Read my earlier post.

PUNK won 7 games with Fulmer's players. He had more EXPERIENCED talent that year over any year since.

The Alabama game was close in score but not in stats. Don't get me wrong in most years the kick would have been good and Tennessee would have the upset.

The Florida game was not as close as the score indicated. Florida was never in real danger of losing.

Don't forget about the HOME losses to mediocre UCLA and Auburn!! Ole Miss routed Tennessee.

They had a great win over Georgia. Other wins Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and nobodies.

He was destroying Tennessee traditions, putting pics of USC players up at our Football complex. He was disgusting. Hamilton should have been fired for allowing this to happen!!!

He is nothing but a loud mouth PUNK. He's the type "leader" that can hype things up for a game or two but once the phoniness comes out his true strength as a coach shows up. In othe words a PUNK LOSER!!!
 
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BearBryant said:
Read my earlier post.

PUNK won 7 games with Fulmer's players. He had more EXPERIENCED talent that year over any year since.

The Alabama game was close in score but not in stats. Don't get me wrong in most years the kick would have been good and Tennessee would have the upset.

The Florida game was not as close as the score indicated. Florida was never in real danger of losing.

Don't forget about the HOME losses to mediocre UCLA and Auburn!! Ole Miss routed Tennessee.

They had a great win over Georgia. Other wins Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and nobodies.

He was destroying Tennessee traditions, putting pics of USC players up at our Football complex. He was disgusting. Hamilton should have been fired for allowing this to happen!!!

He is nothing but a loud mouth PUNK. He's the type "leader" that can hype things up for a game or two but once the phoniness comes out his true strength as a coach shows up. In othe words a PUNK LOSER!!!
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Loser as in the only person to win more games than they lost since 2008?
 
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The last time I was excited about UT football was when Kiffin was the head coach. He's 10x the coach Derek Dooley was. Anyone on here saying otherwise is lying or kidding themselves.
 
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BearBryant said:
Read my earlier post.

PUNK won 7 games with Fulmer's players. He had more EXPERIENCED talent that year over any year since.

The Alabama game was close in score but not in stats. Don't get me wrong in most years the kick would have been good and Tennessee would have the upset.

The Florida game was not as close as the score indicated. Florida was never in real danger of losing.

Don't forget about the HOME losses to mediocre UCLA and Auburn!! Ole Miss routed Tennessee.

They had a great win over Georgia. Other wins Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and nobodies.

He was destroying Tennessee traditions, putting pics of USC players up at our Football complex. He was disgusting. Hamilton should have been fired for allowing this to happen!!!

He is nothing but a loud mouth PUNK. He's the type "leader" that can hype things up for a game or two but once the phoniness comes out his true strength as a coach shows up. In othe words a PUNK LOSER!!!
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You yap about losses to UCLA and Auburn, but Fulmer lost to the same teams in 2008. Not to mention South Carolina and Georgia, both of which Kiffin beat.

Alabama and Florida felt like wins in 2009 because it was refreshing to look competitive and keep the margin of defeat within 30 points.

I don't like Kiffin, don't care if he ever earns another head coaching job again, but he had Tennessee better prepared for big games than they had been in years, or have been since his departure.
 
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BearBryant said:
All of you negavols are sickening. Most of you seem to love the PUNK at his "Dream Job". I guess it is his "Nightmare Job" now.

That punk doesn't have a decent record anywhere he has coached.

PUNK is the right word to use when talking about him. He had a very good level of talent at Tennessee. Look at the NFL draft.

Crompton was a very talented QB. He was hurt bad by Fulmer hiring Clawson. If Cutcliffe had stayed Crompton would have been an excellent 2 yr starter. For those of you that want to give PUNK the credit for Crompton wise up and look what he did to Matt Barkley and Does he even have a QB at USC.

His great recruiting class was filled with criminals who were not going to stay out of trouble. Had he not left for his "Dream Job", he would be fired after 2 or 3 years here and we would probably be on major probation.

If I had my way I would delete PUNK's season from the UT record books. And outlaw his name ever to be spoken in the great state of Tennessee.

The PUNK was trying to destroy the UT traditions. He ignored the maxims, he had pictures of USC players put up in the UT football complex. It was digusting and why the athletic department allowed is beyond comprehension.

This great season he had here, what a joke:
His claim to fame was 2 losses (Alabama and Florida). By the way the Florida game wasn't that close. A great win over Georgia.

Look at the losses a mediocre UCLA and Auburn at home!!! They weren't even competive against Va. Tech in the Bowl game.

It is interesting to speculate on what would have been his 2nd season at UT. I assume Bray would have started from the begininng I guess. How many of the recruits would have made it through the season?? PUNK was a complete disaster waiting to happen.

And I need to add this too. His dad couldn't coach a college defense for sure. And I'm not sure he was even a good NFL coach other than that one season.

I don't know if this is the correct place for this but you need to here it!!
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For what it's worth, of all the coaches I've ever witnessed at UT, Kiffin was the swiftest with permanent punishment. Mess up and you're done. I appreciated that.
 
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crusse10 said:
I'd have rather had 4 years of Kiffin than 1 year of Kiffin and 3 years of Dooley.
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I'd rather have one more year of Fulmer and three years of Dooley as long as we could have Chavis as DC those four years.
 
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I can live with Kiffey leaving for his Dream Job, but having Orgeron calling recruits to get them to go to USC, while Kiff is announcing he is leaving, is a scumbag move.

Couldn't happen to nicer Douche, JMO!



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txbo said:
I'd rather have one more year of Fulmer and three years of Dooley as long as we could have Chavis as DC those four years.
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give me 4 years of the Kiffins and Orgeron over the garbage you just said
 
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crusse10 said:
If he had a quarterback who had his confidence at the beginning of the season, any semblance of an offensive line, or a better kicker, we beat Alabama. Against Alabama and Florida that year (both undefeated in the SEC), we lost by a total score of 35-23. The combined scores from the two previous years: 159-52. Don't act like just talent of that senior/junior class was the reason they did well that year.

Oh, and what did he do to fix those problems? He brought in a top QB, the #1 kicker, and a started building the O-Line.
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He inherited more talent than Dooley and Dooley had to recruit under the instability of being the third coach in three years.

Also, in hindsight, what has Kiffin shown he can do with 5 star talent?
 
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I can't not imagine what our team would have been like with Kiffin coaching...
QB: Bray
RBs: Brown and Oku
WRs: Rogers, Hunter, Ambles

give me that offense all day
 
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txbo said:
He inherited more talent than Dooley and Dooley had to recruit under the instability of being the third coach in three years.

Also, in hindsight, what has Kiffin shown he can do with 5 star talent?
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4 winning seasons in 4 years as a head coach in college football
 
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crusse10 said:
Cause the last few years of his Tennessee career showed the true dominance of the Chavis defense?
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How's the Ol' D looked since he left?
How's the Tiger D looked since he arrived?
 
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txbo said:
How's the Ol' D looked since he left?
How's the Tiger D looked since he arrived?
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UCLA, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, and South Carolina all scored fewer points on us in 09 than they did in 08.
 
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crusse10 said:
UCLA, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, and South Carolina all scored fewer points on us in 09 than they did in 08.
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Pretty small sample. Monty had limited success his first year at USC also when his Tampa 2 was new. Didn't take college OC's long to expose it's weakness.
 
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txbo said:
How's the Ol' D looked since he left?
How's the Tiger D looked since he arrived?
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The LSU defense was elite before he got there. He benefits from having an abundance of NFL guys, just as he did I the late 90s and early 2000s at UT.

He's a good DC, and vastly better than Sunseri ever hoped to be, but not the kind of guy who does more with less.
 
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txbo said:
Pretty small sample. Monty had limited success his first year at USC also when his Tampa 2 was new. Didn't take college OC's long to expose it's weakness.
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But you agree that, against the same competition with basically the same players, the 09 defense was better, especially against the better competition (including both undefeated SEC teams)
 
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crusse10 said:
But you agree that, against the same competition with basically the same players, the 09 defense was better, especially against the better competition (including both undefeated SEC teams)
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Similar indeed. All I'm saying is that the last four years would have been better if Kiffin never came and Chavis never left.
 
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