That Punt!

#51
#51
The punt, the crowd for the first 5 minutes, and then the rain. All of these mattered or none of these mattered. I think it was the Georgia talent combined with the Georgia game plan. They just got us, it is what it is. But I think a rematch would have them winning by only a touchdown. They are simply better than us right now, and I’m totally fine with that.
 
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#52
That call was horrible in that they decided the play stood as called. It was pretty clearly a forward pass under the rules. The ball went forward and down. The rules about a forward pass specifically say that even a fumble in that situation is considered a forward pass if it moves even a millimeter forward towards the opponents goal line. It's also a forward pass the second an arm moves a millimeter forward, even if the defense grabs it and forces it back or prevents it from any other forward movement.

Hookers arm started forward slightly and the Georgia defender grabbed it and kept it from going further. The ball then moved forward and it was clearly propelled by Hooker.
 
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BleedOrange81 said:
I think that whole punt sequence got us really rattled and don’t think we could get past it. Then we stop them and hooker forced the throw to Tillman for the pick. Hard for us to recover from those things. Turning points of the game for me.
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That 75 yard punt was the game changer Saturday and the Georgia punter put himself on some NFL teams's draft radars because of that punt.
 
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allvol123 said:
I can buy that. But the refs didn’t come to that conclusion.

They maintained it was a fumble, so how was that not a safety?
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Think it was just a case of 'not enough evidence to overturn'. The entire sequence was crazy and difficult to say anything for certain. Looked like a pass to me, but difficult to say if the ball went forward with certainty. And if it wasn't a forward pass, it looked like a safety, but also difficult to say with certainty where he was down.
 
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That sequence starting from the punt was just a perfect storm of awful for us. Best punt I’ve seen. Distance Location it was just perfect. I thought it was a forward pass but safety was the only other possible outcome. Seems like we were screwed from that moment on
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Think it was just a case of 'not enough evidence to overturn'. The entire sequence was crazy and difficult to say anything for certain. Looked like a pass to me, but difficult to say if the ball went forward with certainty. And if it wasn't a forward pass, it looked like a safety, but also difficult to say with certainty where he was down.
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I thought it was pretty clear he was down with the entire ball still in the end zone.
 
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Definitely fumble/safety. I'm not sure how they came to that conclusion. The ball went laterally or slightly backwards. Even if his arm came forward, the ball didn't go forward. He fumbled and the officials couldn't see the obvious. I'm not sure why we're surprised at SEC officials being inept.
 
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Other_Guy said:
Nope. I saw a forward pass.
Clearly what happened afterwards was a safety.
Sorry your mind reading failed you.
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Wrong again. Even if his arm was judged to be moving forward it actually was going backwards due to Hookers body position and therefore would be considered a backwards pass that could be covered by either team.
 
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It's one of the General's Maxims about the kicking game is where the breaks come. Georgia got a huge break with that punt. Completely flipped the field and resulted in a TD for them. Big swing in momentum.
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
I honestly wonder if we would have been better giving up the safety. 2 points and punting further down the field, giving us a better chance to stop them would have been better than punting and giving them the great field position that helped them get 7.

Obviously, what if's are pointless now. But this game came down to a few small "what if's?" What if we had connected on our long passes, or what if they hadn't connected on their long passes?

That punt reminded me so much of the punt Trevor Daniel landed a few years ago at the 1 yard line.
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Did they not have the option on taking the safety instead of punting on 4th down?

I was thinking, instead if trying to run it out a few yards, drop Hooker back to the back of the end zone and hope someone gets open downfield for a big play in 4 seconds. If not, just take the safety and punt them back to the 30.
 
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DixieVol said:
Yep. Thought Mitchell had him. That was a 3rd and 10 play that was a near snack that went for a TD
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Yep would have turned 7 into a long FG attempt.
That play
The long 75 yard football seeking 1 yd line punt
The crowd noise = 8 pre snap Ps
That got the OL to quit firing off ergo enabling sacks on HH = him just having off day Int on 50/50 led to 2 overthrows IMO.
Game Over
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Wrong again. Even if his arm was judged to be moving forward it actually was going backwards due to Hookers body position and therefore would be considered a backwards pass that could be covered by either team.
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When you make up your mind on whether I said what I said because I'm biased or because I misunderstand what a forward pass is, let me know.
 
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volinSmyrna said:
Definitely fumble/safety. I'm not sure how they came to that conclusion. The ball went laterally or slightly backwards. Even if his arm came forward, the ball didn't go forward. He fumbled and the officials couldn't see the obvious. I'm not sure why we're surprised at SEC officials being inept.
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I cant understand how there was not a view down the line. To me that is the only reason it was not reversed to a safety after the review. You couldn't 100% tell where the ball was without a doubt.

Also that punt 100% was the downfall of the game. As stated after that series our Offense went in full press mode. That is one thing I think they have done great this season was not pressing too much. They knew there was a small window for mistakes. The offense just did not look relaxed.

Hopefully they come out with a different mindset against MO.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
I’m with you on that but it was clear as could be from the replays they showed.
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I agree with you but we’ve had this bite us before as well. Small had a touchdown in a game where he was called down. You could see on replay he easily crossed the line. They didn’t have “conclusive proof” to overturn. I think this is their standard they have to see him down clearly with the ball short of the line and even then the angle of the camera is taken into consideration. Bottom line is endzone plays don’t seem to get overturned easily.
 
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When Cafego coached, we did that kind of thing to opponents all the time. Never and I mean NEVER were we outclassed or outplayed on special teams.
 
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allvol123 said:
I can buy that. But the refs didn’t come to that conclusion.

They maintained it was a fumble, so how was that not a safety?
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The only thing i can think of, is in all the replays, you could never see the line and the ball and the knee down in the same frame. So by the time the line showed back up, the ball was over it. Was it likely a safety? yes. was it inconclusive (because camera angles?) no
 
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Monkey Wrench said:
The only thing i can think of, is in all the replays, you could never see the line and the ball and the knee down in the same frame. So by the time the line showed back up, the ball was over it. Was it likely a safety? yes. was it inconclusive (because camera angles?) no
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To me I clearly viewed his lower body down and the ball still in the end zone.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I agree with you but we’ve had this bite us before as well. Small had a touchdown in a game where he was called down. You could see on replay he easily crossed the line. They didn’t have “conclusive proof” to overturn. I think this is their standard they have to see him down clearly with the ball short of the line and even then the angle of the camera is taken into consideration. Bottom line is endzone plays don’t seem to get overturned easily.
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Coming out of the end zone the entire ball has to get out and it wasn’t even close. Just a bizarre situation but we got whipped so it really doesn’t matter.
 
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BleedOrange81 said:
I think that whole punt sequence got us really rattled and don’t think we could get past it. Then we stop them and hooker forced the throw to Tillman for the pick. Hard for us to recover from those things. Turning points of the game for me.
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And Bank’s dropped interception.
The lack of depth on the punt was huge…..
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Coming out of the end zone the entire ball has to get out and it wasn’t even close. Just a bizarre situation but we got whipped so it really doesn’t matter.
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I’m definitely not arguing, I thought it was a safety. Just speculation about why they called it the way they did
 
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DaddyChad said:
I’m definitely not arguing, I thought it was a safety. Just speculation about why they called it the way they did
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I swear officiating has gotten worse since replay. Yes they’ve always missed calls but now some that are missed are blatantly obvious.
 
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