That's racist!

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Mick said:
Sure it is. You just don't see your immediate deflection to "what about this group or that group". That is what makes it your primary defense mechanism. You don't realize you are doing it. Its automatic for you when you are threatened by a news article that goes against your belief which I can deduce that you don't think they should be considered terrorist.
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Actually, no. Not at all.

I'm equating the groups to similar methods and crossing the racial gauntlet you've tossed down. If one is to be fair and unbiased, they must label all groups that use intimidation as a tactic and not single out a single race.
 
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Grand Vol said:
You mean the bill that was rewritten and removed the Shari'a and Islamic specific reference and used the US Department of State guidance on terrorist groups?

Weak sauce...
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They used the same guidance so would you agree with the bill if it also included the groups you brought up? I'm more inclined to make the bills on an individual group basis and not lump them all together.
 
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Mick said:
They used the same guidance so would you agree with the bill if it also included the groups you brought up? I'm more inclined to make the bills on an individual group basis and not lump them all together.
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The bill was made vague for a reason.

Now, try not to breathe out of your mouth as you understand why...
 
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Mick said:
Here you go:

FBI definition - Domestic terrorism: Perpetrated by individuals and/or groups inspired by or associated with primarily U.S.-based movements that espouse extremist ideologies of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

Tell me why they don't fit that definition? Because they are white?
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Key word you glossed over.

If neo Nazis and "white nationalists" were running amok commiting all kinds of hate crimes and terrorist like attacks I'd agree with you..but they aren't. They are mostly like Westboro Baptist..annoying morons who carry dumb signs.

Put the Zima down, St Pattys day is over!
 
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Mick said:
Are you saying the White Nationalist are not Terrorist? Careful Grand you are about to deflect.
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That was a major problem with the bill. It targeted people, groups, thoughts, ideologies instead of actions. You are all for targeting thoughts and groups as opposed to actions and crimes. Thankfully, that's not how it works in Murica.

If you were just for targeting racist terrorism, you'd be for targeting racist terorism as opposed to specific groups.
 
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Mick said:
They used the same guidance so would you agree with the bill if it also included the groups you brought up? I'm more inclined to make the bills on an individual group basis and not lump them all together.
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That's not how it's supposed to work mick. The legal system is designed NOT to target groups, or even thoughts, but actions. If it's based on actions, it will affect anyone engaging. If it's based on groups, it's unconstitutional, as if it were based on belief.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
That's not how it's supposed to work mick. The legal system is designed NOT to target groups, or even thoughts, but actions. If it's based on actions, it will affect anyone engaging. If it's based on groups, it's unconstitutional, as if it were based on belief.
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Well since he is a fascist the methodology fits. At least he's honest. Sort of. I guess.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
That's not how it's supposed to work mick. The legal system is designed NOT to target groups, or even thoughts, but actions. If it's based on actions, it will affect anyone engaging. If it's based on groups, it's unconstitutional, as if it were based on belief.
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There is no way you or Grand read the bill much less the groups of Muslims it targeted. You got something on you. So are you saying that there are not any laws in america targeting a group? So all the dope smokers have to do is become a group and poof they are protected. BS
 
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Mick said:
There is no way you or Grand read the bill much less the groups of Muslims it targeted. You got something on you. So are you saying that there are not any laws in america targeting a group? So all the dope smokers have to do is become a group and poof they are protected. BS
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There is no dope smokers group. There are dope smokers, which is an action. There is no law against believing that dope should be legal, or believing that dope smokers are stupid. That is the point, despite your reflections. The law is not there to control belief. It is there to punish crime--again, that is action, not thought.

You are a fascist, by the way.
 
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Mick said:
There is no way you or Grand read the bill much less the groups of Muslims it targeted. You got something on you. So are you saying that there are not any laws in america targeting a group? So all the dope smokers have to do is become a group and poof they are protected. BS
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Of course I didn't read it. That's how I knew it was amended to change the language.

And I didn't even need pop up pictures.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
There is no dope smokers group. There are dope smokers, which is an action. There is no law against believing that dope should be legal, or believing that dope smokers are stupid. That is the point, despite your reflections. The law is not there to control belief. It is there to punish crime--again, that is action, not thought.

You are a fascist, by the way.
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How am I a fascist? I cant wait to hear all the things you think I am and believe.
is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce. sometimes applied more formally to describe parties of the far-right with ideologies similar to, or rooted in, 20th century fascist movements. nationalist authoritarian goals of creating a regulated economic structure to transform social relations within a modern, self-determined culture; and a political aesthetic of romantic symbolism, mass mobilization, a positive view of violence and promotion of masculinity, youth and charismatic leadership.[31][32][33] According to many scholars, fascism—especially once in power—has historically attacked communism, conservatism and parliamentary liberalism, attracting support primarily from the far-right.
 
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Mick said:
How am I a fascist? I cant wait to hear all the things you think I am and believe.
is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce. sometimes applied more formally to describe parties of the far-right with ideologies similar to, or rooted in, 20th century fascist movements. nationalist authoritarian goals of creating a regulated economic structure to transform social relations within a modern, self-determined culture; and a political aesthetic of romantic symbolism, mass mobilization, a positive view of violence and promotion of masculinity, youth and charismatic leadership.[31][32][33] According to many scholars, fascism—especially once in power—has historically attacked communism, conservatism and parliamentary liberalism, attracting support primarily from the far-right.
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You seek to control thought as opposed to action. To suppress ideals. You proved that when you said that you prefer to write laws that target groups,as opposed to crimes.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
You seek to control thought as opposed to action. To suppress ideals. You proved that when you said that you prefer to write laws that target groups,as opposed to crimes.
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What do you do in your sermons? Try to control thought. What does that make you? You know the only way to control action is by changing thought right?

You got something on you.
 
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Mick said:
What do you do in your sermons? Try to control thought. What does that make you? You know the only way to control action is by changing thought right?

You got something on you.
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I seek to persuade, not control. Your last sentence is untrue. You are incredibly small minded.

It's absolutely astounding that you can't see how fascist you sound.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I seek to persuade, not control. Your last sentence is untrue. You are incredibly small minded.

It's absolutely astounding that you can't see how fascist you sound.
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cause (someone) to do something through reasoning or argument.

Well that word didn't help your case.

Go ahead and wallow around in it.
 
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Mick said:
They used the same guidance so would you agree with the bill if it also included the groups you brought up? I'm more inclined to make the bills on an individual group basis and not lump them all together.
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So you are anti freedom of assembly? How very American of you.
 
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