That's racist!

[RikidyBones]

Gruden is a moron for putting that garbage in writing. He deserved to be fired for that reason alone.

I can agree he's a moron for putting it in writing. Never send an email that you wouldn't say in person. That's my rule.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

I get that those words are not acceptable, that line of thinking is not right and that it was incredibly stupid to use them in an email. I find the consistency at how people are judged in today’s society to be beyond absurd. For example

Here’s just one little lyric from one of the performers at this year’s Super Bowl Halftime show:

A-tiskit a-taskit
I go tit for tat with anybody who's talking this $hit, that $hit
Chris Kirkpatrick, you can get your ass kicked
Worse than them little Limp Bizkit bastards
And Moby, you can get stomped by Obie
You thirty six year old bald headed F@G, b—w me
You don't know me, you're too old, let go, its over
Nobody listens to techno

I know those lyrics off the top of my head. I’ve known them for a while. I know some Jay Z as well that could also be categorized the same way as Gruden’s emails. Again, not saying that it’s ok. I’m just saying that a lot of people pretending that Gruden is a racist, homophobe and whatever other label you want to throw his way are going to be the same people talking about how great the Super Bowl Halftime show was and probably have a lot of their music on their phones. Which, like I said, makes most coming down on Gruden completely hypocritical and FOS.

Are we all gonna cancel Eminem and Jay Z now too? I’m guessing those words are different, those are just words and not actions.

Song lyrics are just lyrics. They aren't meant to be taken literally.

 

[KB5252]

Success?? LOL!!!

And you dare call anyone else uninformed?

 

[C-south]

The correlation between money and happiness/fulfillment has been greatly oversold.

I’m sure someone who is dirt poor would disagree. What happened to continuums?

 

[luthervol]

I’m sure someone who is dirt poor would disagree. What happened to continuums?

A correlation coefficient is pretty much a continuum.
Overall, the money/happiness coefficient is about a 0.3 while most people function under the belief that it is about a 0.8.
It even becomes a negative for many.

 

[hog88]

Gruden is a moron for putting that garbage in writing. He deserved to be fired for that reason alone.

He's a moron for using his espn email account to send them to his friend's Redskin email account.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

He's a moron for using his espn email account to send them to his friend's Redskin email account.

In writing period. Ultra stupid for work account to work account

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Not advocating for division at all. You can charge me with adding fuel to the fire that is the topic of race but these are necessary convos. Deep wounds rarely heal themselves.

Oh yes you are. You are the poster child for it.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Gruden's words were offensive. I think it's fair to debate whether they merit him being fired/stepping down, but there really isn't an argument that what he said was in any way socially acceptable.

Didn't offend me. I couldn't care less what one person says to another. If I were offended by that I could shut down the entire hip hop music business. But I guess THAT kind of offended doesn't count because I am.... well.... um..... white.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Weak argument but it’s not even necessary to give a direct counter. He offended more people than AAs. Including his boss.

Pussies all.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

Pussies all.

Yeah, you especially

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Song lyrics are just lyrics. They aren't meant to be taken literally.

^^^^ hypocrisy ^^^^^

 

[USAFgolferVol]

He's a moron for using his espn email account to send them to his friend's Redskin email account.

He's been using his personal email account and the email was sent to Allen, whose account was on the NFL server.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

He's a moron for using his espn email account to send them to his friend's Redskin email account.

He's been using his personal email account and the email was sent to Allen, whose account was on the NFL server.

Didn't offend me. I couldn't care less what one person says to another. If I were offended by that I could shut down the entire hip hop music business. But I guess THAT kind of offended doesn't count because I am.... well.... um..... white.

Gruden has a position of authority. Those hip hop artists aren't in remotely similar positions. Such an idiotic and ignorant conflation

 

[Weezer]

Song lyrics are just lyrics. They aren't meant to be taken literally.

He's been using his personal email account and the email was sent to Allen, whose account was on the NFL server.

Gruden has a position of authority. Those hip hop artists aren't in remotely similar positions. Such an idiotic and ignorant conflation

So it's okay for hip hop artists to espouse racism or homophobia? Seems like a double standard, also known as hypocrisy.

 

[C-south]

He's been using his personal email account and the email was sent to Allen, whose account was on the NFL server.

Gruden has a position of authority. Those hip hop artists aren't in remotely similar positions. Such an idiotic and ignorant conflation

And one is a private conversation and the other s*** is openly spout and celebrated.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

So it's okay for hip hop artists to espouse racism or homophobia? Seems like a double standard, also known as hypocrisy.

No one is saying it's ok. You can choose not to purchase their music

Your inability to apply nuance on this issue is evident

 

[USAFgolferVol]

And one is a private conversation and the other s*** is openly spout and celebrated.

Like me you can choose not to buy their music

 

[USAFgolferVol]

He's a moron for using his espn email account to send them to his friend's Redskin email account.

He's a moron for making the statements

 

[USAFgolferVol]

The lesson everyone needs to learn from this is to use personal email addresses for personal communications.

Or better yet, be a better human being and don't make those types of statements

 

[C-south]

Like me you can choose not to buy their music

And someone can ignore a person that in no way affects their life.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

He's been using his personal email account and the email was sent to Allen, whose account was on the NFL server.

Gruden has a position of authority. Those hip hop artists aren't in remotely similar positions. Such an idiotic and ignorant conflation

Ahhh OK.. So some kinds of offense are more equal than others.

 

[Weezer]

No one is saying it's ok. You can choose not to purchase their music

Your inability to apply nuance on this issue is evident

So people have no choice but to read private emails?

I don't think I'm the one missing nuance here. Gruden was wrong and his words were offensive. The same standard should apply to others, but cancel culture mostly seems to flow one way, with people such as yourself thinking they've found some legitimate excuse why it doesn't or shouldn't, when in reality you're perpetuating the divide. Wrong shouldn't be wrong for just some people. That's not equality.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

No one is saying it's ok. You can choose not to purchase their music

Your inability to apply nuance on this issue is evident

And you can choose to boycott the NFL and the Raiders. LOL

 

[USAFgolferVol]

And someone can ignore a person that in no way affects their life.

I get that but Gruden works for an organization that employs African Americans and women