The 106th United States Open

#27
#27
(volinbham @ Jun 15 said:
Yep, you're in trouble if you are tied with Duval! (Goosen and Duval both at +7)
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Add Tiger to that list at +7. Honestly, I can't say that I'm shocked by this. He's had too long of a layoff to come in to a tournament with fairways this narrow and rough this long. Even though he's been playing relatively well early this season, he's still been very inconsistent off the tee, and you just can't do that and survive at the U.S. Open. Tiger is going to miss the cut.
 
#28
#28
Wingfoot won today.

Highest first round leading score since 1987 or so.

Tiger finishes +6 but only 7 strokes off the lead.

Monty leading after the heckling he got at Bethpage Black - should be interesting.

Phil and Furyk in good shape.

Good predictions for missing cut on this board (Goosen, Woods, Garcia all in danger).
 
#30
#30
(Vol423 @ Jun 15 said:
Tiger is going to miss the cut.
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I wouldn't bet on that. Even as bad as he played today, he's still inside the cut line by a shot or two.

If he can keep it around par tomorrow, he'll probably go into the weekend within 6-7 shots of the lead.
 
#31
#31
Tiger Cut Watch...
He's even thru 4. Still at +6

Darren Clarke and Jay Delsing with the best moves thus far today. Both -2 thru not even half their rounds...
 
#32
#32
Right now, the cut line is at +7, but that is almost sure to go up at least a couple of shots as the day goes on.
 
#34
#34
Just goes to show how tough the US Open setup is. You can't show up with anything less than an A game no matter who you are.
 
#35
#35


I played a week ago in a little charity golf tournament for a county charity. Only nine teams. One of the players on a team there was Billy Horschel, an amatuer who plays for UF. We played Friday. That Monday, he had just won a spot at a Sectional to the U.S. Open!!

The kid is +10 right now with a few to play in his second round. But, he could beat Tiger easily. Heck, at +10 he might make the cut. That's good enough for tie for 96th right now, but a lot of players still to get out there. He's got a shot.
 
#36
#36
Finishing at +12, it will take an absolute miracle for Tiger to make the cut. The Top 60 golfers plus ties and all golfers within 10 strokes of the lead make the cut. Since Steve Stricker has already finished his second round at 1 under par, Woods has to hope that half of the golfers in front of him absolutely fall apart. It isn't going to happen. Woods misses the cut.

For the record, I'm a big fan of Tiger Woods. Like I stated earlier in this thread, though, it doesn't surprise me that he's going to miss the cut in this tournament given the circumstances.
 
#37
#37
Even with the layoff, I never would have believed that Tiger was capable of stringing two rounds like that together. Given the circumstances though, you're probably right; not all that surprising.
 
#38
#38
(GAVol @ Jun 16 said:
Even with the layoff, I never would have believed that Tiger was capable of stringing two rounds like that together. Given the circumstances though, I guess it's not all that surprising.
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The reason that it doesn't surprise me is that even before Tiger's layoff, he wasn't driving the ball well all year. In the tournaments earlier in the season, though, the rough was short enough to allow for good recovery shots. As a result, Tiger was able to play reasonably well despite the fact that he wasn't driving the ball in the fairway. That doesn't work at the U.S. Open, and I didn't see any reason to believe that he was going to drive the ball straighter after the layoff than he did before the layoff.
 
#39
#39
(GAVol @ Jun 16 said:
Even with the layoff, I never would have believed that Tiger was capable of stringing two rounds like that together. .
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Amen. Simply stunning.


(Vol423 @ Jun 16 said:
The reason that it doesn't surprise me is that even before Tiger's layoff, he wasn't driving the ball well all year. In the tournaments earlier in the season, though, the rough was short enough to allow for good recovery shots. As a result, Tiger was able to play reasonably well despite the fact that he wasn't driving the ball in the fairway. That doesn't work at the U.S. Open, and I didn't see any reason to believe that he was going to drive the ball straighter after the layoff than he did before the layoff.
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If your assertion is that even without the death of his father and the extended time away, he would have stunk up the joint like he did the past two days, I disagree.

I've never seen his game so completely in pieces. Never. Missing fairways is one thing. But even his thought process and course management were in shambles. The man's mind is not on golf.
It's understandable, I feel for him and his loss. He should not have tried to play.
 
#40
#40
(orange+white=heaven @ Jun 16 said:
Amen. Simply stunning.
If your assertion is that even without the death of his father and the extended time away, he would have stunk up the joint like he did the past two days, I disagree.

I've never seen his game so completely in pieces. Never. Missing fairways is one thing. But even his thought process and course management were in shambles. The man's mind is not on golf.
It's understandable, I feel for him and his loss. He should not have tried to play.
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That's a total cop out. Believe me, if Tiger didn't think his mind was on golf or that he wasn't ready to play, then he wouldn't have played. I seriously doubt that you'll see Tiger give an excuse like that in the post-tournament interviews. The guy is too much of a standup guy to do that.

My assertion, as I already stated, was that Tiger wasn't driving the ball well even before the layoff. Therefore, I think that he would have struggled at the U.S. Open this year even without the layoff. Would he have struggled as much as he did if he had not had the layoff? Probably not. That's what I meant when I said that I saw no reason to believe that he would drive the ball straighter after his layoff than he did before the layoff.

His course management deteriorated because the guy was WAY BEHIND and he knew that he had to press things in order to try to make the cut. Tiger is an amazing competitor, and that kind of internal drive to make things happen when you're behind can come back to bite you in the butt in the U.S. Open. As I said before, I'm a big fan of Tiger Woods, but the guy is not invincible and he's not going to win U.S. Opens without hitting the fairway. His problem in this tournament wasn't that he was emotionally unprepared to deal with the tournament. His problem was that he's had a long layoff, and that doesn't do phenomenal things for a golf swing. He's rusty.
 
#41
#41
If I gave the impression that I thought he was an emotional wreck, that was not my intention. My point was that he simply did not have the mental aspect of his game intact. You're right, that's rust. He was not prepared to play this tournament. Said so himself on ESPN just a second ago. Thought he was, but he wasn't.

It's always the mental game that precipitates a letdown.
I'm sure you are a fan. How could one not be really.
This was just downright difficult to watch this morning....
 
#42
#42
(volinbham @ Jun 15 said:
Yep, you're in trouble if you are tied with Duval! (Goosen and Duval both at +7)
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Don't look now . . . The man in shades is making a move. He's -3 on the day.
 
#43
#43
(GAVol @ Jun 16 said:
Don't look now . . . The man in shades is making a move. He's -3 on the day.
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Make that -4 on the day. He's on the leaderboard.
 
#44
#44
(GAVol @ Jun 16 said:
Make that -4 on the day. He's on the leaderboard.
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Yep. If Duval somehow manages to finish in the Top 10 in this tournament that would EASILY be the story of the tournament.
 
#46
#46
Oops! A costly double bogey on Hole #6 bumps Duval back to 2-under on the day and 5-over par for the tournament, but he's still having a really impressive tournament.
 
#47
#47
If Duval can play with any consitency this could be the golden age for the sport. Woods, Mickleson, Els, Singh, Duval. Garcia and Clarke just add to the drama.
 
#48
#48
(orange+white=heaven @ Jun 14 said:
Now that would definitely be a surprise missed cut!
I understand your thinking, but Tiger ain't your average..... well, bear.
If he's there, then he's ready.
He pointed out Tuesday that after the longest two layoffs of his career, his knee surgery in December 2002 and his vacation last year, he won the first tournament in which he teed it up.

Will he be sharp enough with his putter to win? Dunno. But sluggish enough to miss the cut? I'm not seeing that one. If he does you'll have to change your name from bleedinorange to FreakingNostradamus.... :bow:
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Bow down to Nostradamus volnation :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
 
#49
#49
(Lexvol @ Jun 16 said:
If Duval can play with any consitency this could be the golden age for the sport. Woods, Mickleson, Els, Singh, Duval. Garcia and Clarke just add to the drama.
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Good call. Add Goosen, Furyk, maybe Toms, etc. to that group and the next several years could be very special.
 
#50
#50
So far, the final round looks completely different from the first 3. Guys are actually gaining a little ground.
 
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