The 2022 NFL Season Thread

#476
#476
n_huffhines said:
The QB didn't have the ball. The reason he fell on him is because he was holding the ball with one of his arms, and the other arm did brace for the impact. Is he supposed to let Carr have the ball so that he doesn't partially fall on him? It's totally ridiculous. The rule wasn't written to protect Carr in that situation and refs have to do a much better job of understanding the spirit of the rule. The rule makers were not trying to stop that play from happening.

What's crazy is this happened in KC and there was a late hit on Mahomes earlier that I was OK with them not calling, and my thought was "I guess they're letting the QB's play tonight." Nope.
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Yea I think KC should have kept the ball. The rule may not have been written to protect Carr in that situation but that was the referees defense on why he threw the flag. I have no doubt the NFL put out a notice to refs to be more restricting on what they allow defensive players to do to the qb following the Dolphins failure with Tua. This was just enforcing a rule that was already established. If that play happened last year would they have flagged it? Maybe until they realized the defensive player had the ball before either hit the ground. If someone threw a flag on that play last year my guess is they may have convened and decided against.

But Brady was just a tackle. Pulled to the ground. The only reason that was flagged is because it was similar to the 2nd Tua tackle. And that wasn’t roughing the passer. They didn’t call roughing the passer on the play.
 
#477
#477
TheDeeble said:
Yea I think KC should have kept the ball. The rule may not have been written to protect Carr in that situation but that was the referees defense on why he threw the flag. I have no doubt the NFL put out a notice to refs to be more restricting on what they allow defensive players to do to the qb following the Dolphins failure with Tua. This was just enforcing a rule that was already established. If that play happened last year would they have flagged it? Maybe until they realized the defensive player had the ball before either hit the ground. If someone threw a flag on that play last year my guess is they may have convened and decided against.

But Brady was just a tackle. Pulled to the ground. The only reason that was flagged is because it was similar to the 2nd Tua tackle. And that wasn’t roughing the passer. They didn’t call roughing the passer on the play.
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"a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down or land on top of him with all or most of the defender's weight. "

It was totally necessary in order to get the turnover, and it's highly debatable that it was "most" of his weight because he used the one arm to break the fall. It was the wrong call whether you want to go letter of the law or spirit of the law.

Mahomes got slung down hard later in the game, and there was a little bit extra on it. By letter of the law, they should have called it but they went by spirit of the law because it wasn't that bad.
 
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#478
#478
n_huffhines said:
"a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down or land on top of him with all or most of the defender's weight. "

It was totally necessary in order to get the turnover, and it's highly debatable that it was "most" of his weight because he used the one arm to break the fall. It was the wrong call whether you want to go letter of the law or spirit of the law.

Mahomes got slung down hard later in the game, and there was a little bit extra on it. By letter of the law, they should have called it but they went by spirit of the law because it wasn't that bad.
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I’m not disagreeing with you that it shouldn’t have been a penalty. It shouldn’t have. It should have been Chiefs ball. Like I said, if they flag that last year or even before Tua gets hurt this year I think that flag gets picked up.

I just think the roughing the passer on Brady was a more of a joke penalty than the one on Carr.

The Dolphins bungled Tua’s concussion and made the NFL look bad, so now the NFL is probably asking the refs to protect qbs with flags more stringently. “Unnecessarily” and “most” are left up to the judgement of the ref. The NFL probably instructed them to widen their margins on what they feel is unnecessary.
 
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#479
#479
TheDeeble said:
I’m not disagreeing with you that it shouldn’t have been a penalty. It shouldn’t have. It should have been Chiefs ball. Like I said, if they flag that last year or even before Tua gets hurt this year I think that flag gets picked up.

I just think the roughing the passer on Brady was a more of a joke penalty than the one on Carr.

The Dolphins bungled Tua’s concussion and made the NFL look bad, so now the NFL is probably asking the refs to protect qbs with flags more stringently. “Unnecessarily” and “most” are left up to the judgement of the ref. The NFL probably instructed them to widen their margins on what they feel is unnecessary.
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And thus why the NFL is dying a slow painful death.
 
#483
#483
95 Vol Alum said:
You keep saying it, but it’s not true.

I thought it was bad QB play and diluted teams. Now it’s penalties that’s THE reason?
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I've seen several people comment that officiating is why they don't want the NFL, but if that's actually the reason they why the hell do they watch college football then? It's arguably worse.

Also still weird to me these certain people that feel the need to constantly remind everyone how much they don't watch/like the NFL.
 
#486
#486
Raiders WR Adams has been charged with misdemeanor assault.


The Steelers are 1-4,and no doubt this is going to be the first time the Steelers have a losing season in the Mike Tomlin era.
The Steelers are a rebuilding team that are using Pickett a rookie QB for most of the 2022 season.
The Steelers would need to win 8 of 12 games to avoid a losing record which is highly unlikely since Pickett will have the common growing pains, and because the Steelers play teams that aren’t using Rookie QBs.
 
#491
#491
n_huffhines said:
Pretend you're at Disneyland and everytime you sort of bump into somebody you didn't see, you push them to the ground....everybody coming out with skinned knees and elbows. This isn't how you act just bc you didn't see him.
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I agree, you got to take in consideration the push.
 
#492
#492
The push is pretty bad. If he had stopped and helped him up it would have made it better but him walking past and just looking down isn't a good luck.

Doug Gottlieb with another stupid take. And I know I shouldn't be surprised since it's Twitter but my goodness there are a LOT of stupid takes in the replies, including more stupidity from Gottlieb.
 
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#493
#493
n_huffhines said:
Pretend you're at Disneyland and everytime you sort of bump into somebody you didn't see, you push them to the ground....everybody coming out with skinned knees and elbows. This isn't how you act just bc you didn't see him.
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Eh idk about that comparison. He was wearing his helmet still and appeared to be looking down, so he probably had very limited peripheral vision. Could have just been instinct to shove the guy out of the way, especially being in an unfriendly environment.
 
#494
#494
K-town Vol Fan said:
Eh idk about that comparison. He was wearing his helmet still and appeared to be looking down, so he probably had very limited peripheral vision. Could have just been instinct to shove the guy out of the way, especially being in an unfriendly environment.
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I don't understand how not seeing the guy and behaving off instinct makes it any better?
 
#495
#495
K-town Vol Fan said:
Eh idk about that comparison. He was wearing his helmet still and appeared to be looking down, so he probably had very limited peripheral vision. Could have just been instinct to shove the guy out of the way, especially being in an unfriendly environment.
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If your instinct is to shove someone who you run into when you're looking down, then you got some issues. That's not a very good excuse. Even if you grant that, his reaction was pretty good proof that he didn't give a damn he did it, even after he saw it was a camera person.
 
#497
#497
The Bears have a good chance of defeating the Commanders in a low scoring entertaining game mainly because Fields is more likely to make less mistakes than Wentz.
 
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