The 99%

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NEOCON said:
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Give me a compelling reason why I should thank someone that could not give 2 sh*ts about me. Just because he owns a company that I happen to work for? He doesn't even know my name and had absolutely nothing to do with me getting hired there. Purely speaking hypothetical here.

Actually, the woman that owns the body shop that I work at doesn't know my name and only thinks in dollar signs. It would benefit me not-at-all to thank her. Now, the general manager is a cool cat and hired me, I'll thank him but he's not in the 99%.

Go ahead and make yourself believe that you're worth something more than everyone else because you own a company, though.
 
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VOLatile said:
Give me a compelling reason why I should thank someone that could not give 2 sh*ts about me. Just because he owns a company that I happen to work for? He doesn't even know my name and had absolutely nothing to do with me getting hired there. Purely speaking hypothetical here.

Actually, the woman that owns the body shop that I work at doesn't know my name and only thinks in dollar signs. It would benefit me not-at-all to thank her. Now, the general manager is a cool cat and hired me, I'll thank him but he's not in the 99%.

Go ahead and make yourself believe that you're worth something more than everyone else because you own a company, though.
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But for the financial risk undertaken by "the woman" to start her company, you wouldn't have a job to not be thankful for.
 
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There is an undertaking of risk on both parties. Employers depend on employees depend on employers. Vicious circle.
 
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VOLatile said:
Give me a compelling reason why I should thank someone that could not give 2 sh*ts about me. Just because he owns a company that I happen to work for? He doesn't even know my name and had absolutely nothing to do with me getting hired there. Purely speaking hypothetical here.

Actually, the woman that owns the body shop that I work at doesn't know my name and only thinks in dollar signs. It would benefit me not-at-all to thank her. Now, the general manager is a cool cat and hired me, I'll thank him but he's not in the 99%.

Go ahead and make yourself believe that you're worth something more than everyone else because you own a company, though.
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your boss has a job because the woman hired him. your boss would not hire you if he hadn't been hired himself.

she doesnt owe you anything or need to know your name.

she is the one who gives you your check though that you live on.

without her ... you dont eat.

without any of the people who see in dollar signs you dont eat.

thats reality.


you didnt create that job your in .... you filled it.

she created your job.
 
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Slydell said:
There is an undertaking of risk on both parties. Employers depend on employees depend on employers. Vicious circle.
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true

but the risk the employee takes isnt comparable to the risk the owner takes.
 
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Might depend on the job. Some dangerous jobs out there. But, I know you're talking in $$ and not body parts.
 
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NEOCON said:
true

but the risk the employee takes isnt comparable to the risk the owner takes.
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Well, that all depends.

For me, starting up a business would be an incredibly risky maneuver. Why? I would be investing pretty much all of my money in such business, and if it failed, I'd be broke and likely in massive debt.

Now, for someone that has a lot of money and resources at his disposal, he can take the same risk I could, yet he will not be hurt as badly if he flops.

The employee has things invested as well. Time and energy are nothing to shrug off. The employee also has to worry about job security as well.

It depends on where you sit in all of this.
 
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KingNick865 said:
Well, that all depends.

For me, starting up a business would be an incredibly risky maneuver. Why? I would be investing pretty much all of my money in such business, and if it failed, I'd be broke and likely in massive debt.

Now, for someone that has a lot of money and resources at his disposal, he can take the same risk I could, yet he will not be hurt as badly if he flops.

The employee has things invested as well. Time and energy are nothing to shrug off. The employee also has to worry about job security as well.

It depends on where you sit in all of this.
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You can add legal liability to the employer as well.
 
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KingNick865 said:
Well, that all depends.

For me, starting up a business would be an incredibly risky maneuver. Why? I would be investing pretty much all of my money in such business, and if it failed, I'd be broke and likely in massive debt.

Now, for someone that has a lot of money and resources at his disposal, he can take the same risk I could, yet he will not be hurt as badly if he flops.

The employee has things invested as well. Time and energy are nothing to shrug off. The employee also has to worry about job security as well.

It depends on where you sit in all of this.
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I maxed out 4 credit cards, took a 2nd mortgage and a line of credit to get mine started. Not just people with money start businesses. That's the risk. Not all people can take the risk. It's understandable. I had a good model and didn't want to regret not giving it a try.
 
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NEOCON said:
your boss has a job because the woman hired him. your boss would not hire you if he hadn't been hired himself.

she doesnt owe you anything or need to know your name.

she is the one who gives you your check though that you live on.

without her ... you dont eat.

without any of the people who see in dollar signs you dont eat.

thats reality.


you didnt create that job your in .... you filled it.

she created your job.
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This diatribe sounds so nouveau riche'. Not surprising considering the source
 
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NEOCON said:
your boss has a job because the woman hired him. your boss would not hire you if he hadn't been hired himself.

she doesnt owe you anything or need to know your name.

she is the one who gives you your check though that you live on.

without her ... you dont eat.

without any of the people who see in dollar signs you dont eat.

thats reality.


you didnt create that job your in .... you filled it.

she created your job.
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I created my job but I'm in the 99%

Should I send you a thank you letter anyways?
 
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Businesses need employees and demand, both of which are in turn created by business and of course employees and demand. None of the three can exist without the other two.

As a consequence, there is a natural inequity, in raw terms, between the business owners and the employees. Nothing wrong with that, and in fact it is the hope that one day an employee can become an owner that is a big part of our economic system.

But people have to believe that can happen. They have to believe that the playing field to is competitive is an even playing field, that the opportunity is real and not just a shell game.

There is a difference between simply being grateful for a job, which is what OP seems to be saying, and a political system so entrenched with business interests that the mass of employees start to feel that the inequities are institutionalized.

The perception is that those at the very top have used their considerable political and financial clout to not only immunize themselves from the economic downturn, but to actually profit from it.

The OWS may well peter out. I suspect it will. But it is a symptom of the unrest out there caused by that perception and the institutional powers need to meaningfully address it, IMO.
 
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DrunkJohnny said:
I created my job but I'm in the 99%

Should I send you a thank you letter anyways?
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I don't know what you do, but I assume you have customers of some kind. It could be argued that some of your customers are in the 1%, or that some of them are employed by the 1%, and thus that wealth benefits you.

It all depends on how you view wealth. If you don't view wealth as a zero sum game, then the wealth of one is to the benefit of another if the wealthy is willing to spend it or invest it.
 
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I still have yet to see any evidence to suggest that OWS is protesting crony capitalism. Instead, the movement seems to be composed of people who want equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity.
 
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dreVol said:
I still have yet to see any evidence to suggest that OWS is protesting crony capitalism. Instead, the movement seems to be composed of people who want equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity.
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There is a large contingency doing that, but you are right...for the most part it's people who just want their college debt forgiven.
 
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nbakerld said:
There is a large contingency doing that, but you are right...for the most part it's people who just want their college debt forgiven.
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I think there are a lot of people in this country who would get behind a movement focused on ending cronyism. The TP had success when its message was to stop the outrageous growth of government and the national debt. The OWS would have momentum if they had a message/purpose other than civil disobedience aimed at "Wall Street" and "the 1%"
 
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