The 99%

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dreVol said:
I think there are a lot of people in this country who would get behind a movement focused on ending cronyism. The TP had success when its message was to stop the outrageous growth of government and the national debt. The OWS would have momentum if they had a message/purpose other than civil disobedience aimed at "Wall Street" and "the 1%"
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That makes no sense since it is Wall Street and the 1 % who are using cronyism to benefit financially, and at the expense of the 99 %.
 
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nbakerld said:
There is a large contingency doing that, but you are right...for the most part it's people who just want their college debt forgiven.
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I'm not sure anyone seriously thinks this will happen. There's just such a wide assortment of ideas behind the protest, nothing entirely defined yet.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That makes no sense since it is Wall Street and the 1 % who are using cronyism to benefit financially, and at the expense of the 99 %.
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At the expense of the 99%? Only like 49% of that 99% pays taxes, so I'm gonna go ahead and say 50% of them can go home.

My beef is that the 1% may be taking money, but for the most part they are still creating value in a lot of their daily operations (not to mention all of us would take free money). Government is the real culprit. They are redistributing wealth and not really creating anything, while all along supposedly they are supposed to be accountable to the people.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That makes no sense since it is Wall Street and the 1 % who are using cronyism to benefit financially, and at the expense of the 99 %.
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The OWS movement doesn't make sense. Claiming that you represent the 99% against Wall Street and the 1% while vandalising local businesses and demanding free goodies has absolutely no impact on cronyism.
 
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nbakerld said:
At the expense of the 99%? Only like 49% of that 99% pays taxes, so I'm gonna go ahead and say 50% of them can go home.

My beef is that the 1% may be taking money, but for the most part they are still creating value in a lot of their daily operations (not to mention all of us would take free money). Government is the real culprit. They are redistributing wealth and not really creating anything, while all along supposedly they are supposed to be accountable to the people.
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Government is the instrument, but it is the cronyism of the wealthy and big business in bed with the politicians that is wielding it.

And that is true of both Republicans and Democrats, witness Solyndra and TARP.

People are sick and tired of picking up the paper and seeing millionaires draw out more and more millions, and even billions, based on sweetheart deals and loans from or backed by the bought and paid for politicians while everyone else plugs along worried about this winter's heating bills.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Government is the instrument, but it is the cronyism of the wealthy and big business in bed with the politicians that is wielding it.

And that is true of both Republicans and Democrats, witness Solyndra and TARP.

People are sick and tired of picking up the paper and seeing millionaires draw out more and more millions, and even billions, based on sweetheart deals and loans from or backed by the bought and paid for politicians while everyone else plugs along worried about this winter's heating bills.
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then protest the politicians (which isn't being done) and not the ones receiving the money. Of course it is your guy leading the charge
 
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NEOCON said:
your boss has a job because the woman hired him. your boss would not hire you if he hadn't been hired himself.

she doesnt owe you anything or need to know your name.

she is the one who gives you your check though that you live on.

without her ... you dont eat.

without any of the people who see in dollar signs you dont eat.

thats reality.


you didnt create that job your in .... you filled it.

she created your job.
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She didn't create the job you moron. The need for repair created the job. And yes she does need him or there wouldnt be a business.

You are an idiot.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Government is the instrument, but it is the cronyism of the wealthy and big business in bed with the politicians that is wielding it.

And that is true of both Republicans and Democrats, witness Solyndra and TARP.

People are sick and tired of picking up the paper and seeing millionaires draw out more and more millions, and even billions, based on sweetheart deals and loans from or backed by the bought and paid for politicians while everyone else plugs along worried about this winter's heating bills.
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That's precisely why this movement is a joke. Their biggest presence should be DC.
 
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dreVol said:
The OWS movement doesn't make sense. Claiming that you represent the 99% against Wall Street and the 1% while vandalising local businesses and demanding free goodies has absolutely no impact on cronyism.
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There should be no vandalism and not sure what you mean by demanding free goodies. In any event you are unsuccessfully trying to dilute the message by picking out instances of misconduct by the inevitable hangers on.

Funny thing, this morning I was driving in and listening to CNBC and they were talking about the OWS protests outside the Exchange this morning. They were describing it and Cramer was saying it wasn't bad trying to get into work and that it was orderly.

Then he said that he could see how easily someone might try to create the illusion that its nasty or violent.

Well, about 30 seconds later they went to a reporter on scene who was vaguely trying to stir things up, saying it was nuts, insane, unruly, etc. And that was right after Cramer criticized such a misrepresentation, that he knew was going to occur.
 
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Vols520 said:
She didn't create the job you moron. The need for repair created the job. And yes she does need him or there wouldnt be a business.

You are an idiot.
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Oh but of course. The need for repairs. You're right, because of the "need" for repairs everyone should be able to start and run a successful repair business.

Get a clue.
 
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dreVol said:
That's precisely why this movement is a joke. Their biggest presence should be DC.
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That's my point. You can fault the 1%, sure, but if you want to get anything done, then they are barking up the wrong tree.

Broker looking down from corner office at OWS: "What's that? You don't like how I make money? Well, I made $700K last year, so y'all can go **** yourselves. I'm not accountable to you. Go talk to your congressman."
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
Oh but of course. The need for repairs. You're right, because of the "need" for repairs everyone should be able to start and run a successful repair business.

Get a clue.
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What percent of those successful auto body shops business owners are in the top 1% ?

The majority of jobs are created by small business, most small business owners are not in the top 1%.
 
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Gramps said:
What percent of those successful auto body shops business owners are in the top 1% ?

The majority of jobs are created by small business, most small business owners are not in the top 1%.
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Not the point I was trying to make. I am in full agreement with your post.
 
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BearCat204 said:
You would think a savvy business owner would know this
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There are literally thousands and thousands of business owners that think in the same manner as NEOCON. Just because you own a business, doesn't mean you have the first clue about economics. That is the funny thing about it.
 
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