The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy

[LSU-SIU]

It just seems far fetched to me that 60 + years later no one with actual first hand knowledge and proof wouldn't have come forward. Instead it remains assumptions based on hearsay and speculation.

But, knowing about this Rep. Luna(tic) its probably best to keep her in the basement pouring through dusty files than actually legislating.

It also seems far fetched that no one with actual first hand knowledge and proof came forward when the U.S. had a huge budget and employed 130,000 to develop, create and deploy Alien type weapon technology. The development of this Alien type technology involved huge facilities through the U.S. The testing of this Alien type technology could be seen for 10s of miles, and involved countless government agencies.

Do you want to know what it is?

The Manhattan Project.

Now, if you questions how 1000s of people were involved in a large scale money ($billions per year) laundering, arms and drugs sales using U.S. military, CIA, and DEA assets without anyone going to jail i.e. Bush family... we can talk about that as well.

Its seems kind of far fetched that dementia patient was sitting a President and nobody noticed, did you notice when you voted for him and lied about it?

 

[Grand Vol]

It just seems far fetched to me that 60 + years later no one with actual first hand knowledge and proof wouldn't have come forward. Instead it remains assumptions based on hearsay and speculation.

But, knowing about this Rep. Luna(tic) its probably best to keep her in the basement pouring through dusty files than actually legislating.

Because most, except for the ring leaders they knew could keep their mouths shut, we're probably dead within a week of it happening.

I give Jim Garrison credit for trying to uncover the "truth" with his criminal trials, but you knew he was never going to get to the real criminal acts since it's very likely nothing was ever written down. You don't assassinate the leader of the free world and keep a paper trail. Nor do you keep the ones that pulled the trigger alive long enough to eventually find remorse and start talking.

It's one of those things that everyone knows the CIA and FBI were involved and guilty as hell, but nobody is ever going to prove it.

It's OJ Simpson on a national scale.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

I've said for years Cuba is "ripe" for development whenever the communists finally open up and allow it. Not only resorts that would be a two hour ferry ride away from Florida but also every cruise line that would port in the major areas.

Think Cozumel or Cancun on steroids. And far easier to get to.

Most countries allow tourism visas to Cuba, but we're one of the only ones who doesn't and we have the most money to spend. 60 plus years of sanctions haven't worked, but it's like the third rail of most of our government, touch it and die.

Maybe it's time we tried another tactic and kill them with kindness. Start spending a butt-load of money and watch the people demand change from the government.

100%.

 

[Grand Vol]

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Don't get the movie reference, but the Cuban Mafia is alive and well and likely would take advantage of such a thing.

On the other hand, plenty of big money corporations like Sandals, Hilton, Ceasars, MGM, etc that could turn the tables like they did in Vegas with the casino industry and the mob.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Because most, except for the ring leaders they knew could keep their mouths shut, we're probably dead within a week of it happening.

I give Jim Garrison credit for trying to uncover the "truth" with his criminal trials, but you knew he was never going to get to the real criminal acts since it's very likely nothing was ever written down. You don't assassinate the leader of the free world and keep a paper trail. Nor do you keep the ones that pulled the trigger alive long enough to eventually find remorse and start talking.

It's one of those things that everyone knows the CIA and FBI were involved and guilty as hell, but nobody is ever going to prove it.

It's OJ Simpson on a national scale.

There were so many different tentacles attached. The fact that Garrison uncovered Clay Shaw or Bertrin as a CIA officer or having some affiliation w/ the CIA and LHO is indicative of how many different ways this could go. I’ve always thought that Dulles was the big player here, maybe we’ll find out .

 

[Grand Vol]

There were so many different tentacles attached. The fact that Garrison uncovered Clay Shaw or Bertrin as a CIA officer or having some affiliation w/ the CIA and LHO is indicative of how many different ways this could go. I’ve always thought that Dulles was the big player here, maybe we’ll find out .

Dulles and Hoover were probably the masterminds behind it. Everyone knew J. Edgar hated the Kennedys. And there was no love lost between Dulles and Jack over the Bay of Pigs fallout.

Again... nobody to ask.

 

[Grand Vol]

I will say those who believe Lyndon Johnson were involved are probably wrong. He may (stress the may) have had some knowledge, especially in the aftermath, but likely wasn't calling any shots beforehand.

However, he was perfectly happy in the aftermath. But I don't think he was as involved as some would like him to be.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Dulles and Hoover were probably the masterminds behind it. Everyone knew J. Edgar hated the Kennedys. And there was no love lost between Dulles and Jack over the Bay of Pigs fallout.

Again... nobody to ask.

Another thing I always thought was bizarre about the autopsy (among many things) were that LeMay and the Chiefs were present for the autopsy . The Joint Chiefs didn’t like him either because of his handling of Cuba and even the Missile Crisis.

 

[Grand Vol]

Another thing I always thought was bizarre about the autopsy (among many things) were that LeMay and the Chiefs were present for the autopsy . The Joint Chiefs didn’t like him either because of his handling of Cuba and even the Missile Crisis.

They didn't... but other than peripheral players, they likely weren't involved. Even with LeMay advocating for and trying to provoke a first strike on the USSR during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

I personally believe it was foreign mercenaries contracted by the CIA that ultimately ended up as fish food or plant fertilizer somewhere in the lakes and fields of North Texas. I think Oswald was the "perfect" patsy and was involved to some extent and maybe pulled the trigger on one of the shots. Though how much involvement he had will never be known.

Jack Ruby's involvement was almost certainly the FBI "helping" clean up.

 

[lawgator1]

Don't get the movie reference, but the Cuban Mafia is alive and well and likely would take advantage of such a thing.

On the other hand, plenty of big money corporations like Sandals, Hilton, Ceasars, MGM, etc that could turn the tables like they did in Vegas with the casino industry and the mob.

How on Earth can you not get the movie reference ??????

Truly surprised.

 

[Grand Vol]

How on Earth can you not get the movie reference ??????

Truly surprised.

Which movie?

Don't leave me hanging here.

 

[lawgator1]

Which movie?

Don't leave me hanging here.

Hyman Roth - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hyman Roth is a mobster.opposite Pacino in GF 2. Runs Cuba mafia ties.

 

[hog88]

It just seems far fetched to me that 60 + years later no one with actual first hand knowledge and proof wouldn't have come forward. Instead it remains assumptions based on hearsay and speculation.

But, knowing about this Rep. Luna(tic) its probably best to keep her in the basement pouring through dusty files than actually legislating.

There has been a lot of people who came forward and all were shouted down as conspiracy loons. There is a formula to keep the truth from coming out.

 

[hog88]

I will say those who believe Lyndon Johnson were involved are probably wrong. He may (stress the may) have had some knowledge, especially in the aftermath, but likely wasn't calling any shots beforehand.

However, he was perfectly happy in the aftermath. But I don't think he was as involved as some would like him to be.

Involved? No.

I do believe that he knew what was going to happen at some point.

 

[Zues1]

Probably because the Warren Commission didn’t need to see them bc they already knew what was in them.

Probably. I suppose the question is,How complicit was the Warren commission ( including future 38th,Gerald Ford) in a cover-up or was this information never presented.
Let's see if we will finally have these answers.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Probably. I suppose the question is,How complicit was the Warren commission ( including future 38th,Gerald Ford) in a cover-up or was this information never presented.
Let's see if we will finally have these answers.

As I said earlier, after learning more and more over time, I always thought Dulles was one of the main actors here. One of the first things RFK did was call over to the CIA and ask if they did it. That’s pretty telling . The fact that Dulles was on the commission is absurd IMO.

 

[lawgator1]

There has been a lot of people who came forward and all were shouted down as conspiracy loons. There is a formula to keep the truth from coming out.

I'd want to hear from someone with verifiable first half knowledge. Not hearsay. Not speculation. And so
far that seems to be all of it.

 

[Grand Vol]

Hyman Roth - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hyman Roth is a mobster.opposite Pacino in GF 2. Runs Cuba mafia ties.

It's been a while since I watched it.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I'd want to hear from someone with verifiable first half knowledge. Not hearsay. Not speculation. And so
far that seems to be all of it.

You don't need much of that is needed if its built on a magic bullet. Whether there is a conspiracy by the government is one subject but I would say most sane people at this point would say the evidence seems to indicate that two shooters was not only possible.... but maybe highly likely. Most likely there was even another round on top of the magic round, just my take.

 

[Grand Vol]

I'd want to hear from someone with verifiable first half knowledge. Not hearsay. Not speculation. And so
far that seems to be all of it.

You're never going to get that like I stated.

But I feel like you didn't buy the Warren Commission narrative either. You're a lawyer. The "answers" they got didn't even seem suspicious to you?

It was the foxes investigating who broke into the hen house.

 

[hog88]

I'd want to hear from someone with verifiable first half knowledge. Not hearsay. Not speculation. And so
far that seems to be all of it.

They’re all dead

 

[lawgator1]

You're never going to get that like I stated.

But I feel like you didn't buy the Warren Commission narrative either. You're a lawyer. The "answers" they got didn't even seem suspicious to you?

It was the foxes investigating who broke into the hen house.

They’re all dead

Both of these posts dodge the point, and neither addresses it.

The point is, over 60 years, its hard to believe that someone who ACTUALLY knows, has not come forward. That such folks are now dead does not explain how the participants all remained quiet while they were alive for however many years afterward. And, it serves only to prove that it cannot be proven -- the hallmark of a great conspiracy.

Example: Churchill was behind WW II. My proof is that its hard to imagine Hitler acted alone and accomplished all of the mobilization on his own. Churchill had the ability to communicate with Hitler and could easily have helped him.

And at this point all the people who knew of his plot are now dead, so that's my proof.

 

[hog88]

Both of these posts dodge the point, and neither addresses it.

The point is, over 60 years, its hard to believe that someone who ACTUALLY knows, has not come forward. That such folks are now dead does not explain how the participants all remained quiet while they were alive for however many years afterward. And, it serves only to prove that it cannot be proven -- the hallmark of a great conspiracy.

Example: Churchill was behind WW II. My proof is that its hard to imagine Hitler acted alone and accomplished all of the mobilization on his own. Churchill had the ability to communicate with Hitler and could easily have helped him.

And at this point all the people who knew of his plot are now dead, so that's my proof.

Who says they haven't and were shouted down as conspiracy theorists? And passed suddenly.

It wasn't Churchill that aided Hitler, it was FDR. He wanted the British Empire to collapse.

 

[Vol423]

Both of these posts dodge the point, and neither addresses it.

The point is, over 60 years, its hard to believe that someone who ACTUALLY knows, has not come forward. That such folks are now dead does not explain how the participants all remained quiet while they were alive for however many years afterward. And, it serves only to prove that it cannot be proven -- the hallmark of a great conspiracy.

Example: Churchill was behind WW II. My proof is that its hard to imagine Hitler acted alone and accomplished all of the mobilization on his own. Churchill had the ability to communicate with Hitler and could easily have helped him.

And at this point all the people who knew of his plot are now dead, so that's my proof.

You must be an awful lawyer.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

I doubt everything is ever released but what will be interesting if all of it is is the excuses our resident govt leg humpers will come up with as to why it had to be done.

Funny part is I expect our .gov to be involved in nefarious ish. So them coming clean would definitely not give me a come apart.