The bad part about the B.J hire

#179
#179
I don't like spiders.

Every day that butch Jones has been coach I have read or heard something about him, his staff, how he coaches, etc, that has made me more confident about him being our coach.

Now, let's all take a moment to thank the good lord for the fact that spiders don't fly.
 
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#182
#182
In 2012, Cincy played #22 Rutgers and #16 Louisville. Cincinnati took Louisville to overtime and lost by three. Cincinnati lost to Rutgers by 7.

Let us look at the talent disparity: Cincinnati had a four year trailing recruiting average of 56th; Rutgers was 40th and Louisville was 49th. In other words, both teams had better talent and Rutgers had substantially better talent and Cincy played them to the wire.

If you go to 2010, Cincinnati lost to 8th ranked Oklahoma by three points. Oklahoma had a 4 year trailing recruiting average of 4th best in the nation. Cincinnati, by all accounts had a decimated roster when CBJ took over, and not adjusting for that attrition, was ranked somewhere in the lower 50s. In other words, there was a HUGE disparity in talent.

I have not gone back and looked at the recruiting averages for his years prior to coaching at Cincinnati. Looking at the schedule, though, Central Michigan lost to #2 UGA in 2008 by a score of 56 to 17. That isn't surprising because my gut tells me that talent at Central Michigan was less than at Cincy. If you look at 2011 four year trailing averages, Central Michigan averages 111th whereas Cincy was 61st. An average difference that large doesn't happen over a few years, so it would be safe to assume a similar level of talent when CBJ was coach. In 2008, Central Michigan also lost to #17 Ball State by 7. I have no frame of reference for how Ball state recruited during that time period, but they (Ball State) played well enough to be ranked #17 by going 12-2.

I don't know if this changes anyone's mind, but to me it shows a team with mediocre talent playing well above their heads. That is always a sign of a good coach, at least to me.
 
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#183
#183
Just a question. Where his teams at CM and CU favored to win the games against the Top 25 teams anyways. If not how realistic was it to excpect W's then. Getting an upset and just losing are two diff. things.
 
#186
#186
We will all find out soon enough. If you can be successful in the SEC then I believe you can be successful just about anywhere in the country.
 
#187
#187
wcm100690 said:
We will all find out soon enough. If you can be successful in the SEC then I believe you can be successful just about anywhere in the country.
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He was successful everywhere else so lets hope he is here.
Because SEC is IT no where else to go but NFL.
 
#188
#188
I believe our last coach didn't have such a brilliant record against top-25 teams, or SEC teams, or teams over .500....or teams that played offense in 2012.....
 
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#189
Bottom line, we FINALLY hired a coach with a winning record after two losers, Kiffin and Dooley. CBJ talks like a football coach, looks like a football coach and acts like a football coach. And again, best of all he has won. 4 conference championships is 6 years of coaching is pretty dang strong if you ask me.
 
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#191
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chattavfl86 said:
I don't like spiders.

Every day that butch Jones has been coach I have read or heard something about him, his staff, how he coaches, etc, that has made me more confident about him being our coach.

Now, let's all take a moment to thank the good lord for the fact that spiders don't fly.
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OH, but they do fly in a way. Just start spinning the web and float in the breeze.:)
 
#200
#200
Situations can dictate this data anyway you want. But what does concern me is the inability to recruit. Seems his avg. recruiting class is around 50 being out-recruited by all major rivals while winng BE titles. That scares me.
 
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