The Black Tax

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luthervol said:
What? I see the complete truth in what he is saying. 100%
The left grossly overplays the racist angle and the right grossly dominates the more racist end of the continuum.
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luthervol said:
We don't have to agree on the percentages, I probably overestimate and you probably underestimate.
What I'm positive of is that it is not exactly even.
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I would probably say that is a lot closer to even than you may think. While the right may have the more traditional racists that we are familiar with, the left has the more subtle condescending racists. Condescending as in lowered expectations.
 
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Weezer said:
I would guess a lot of racism is apolitical, so I'm not sure why the need is felt to bring it into the political realm?
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A lot of racism is apolitical, but since both sides try to use feelings about race to their political advantage, it can't help but fall into the political realm.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I would probably say that is a lot closer to even than you may think. While the right may have the more traditional racists that we are familiar with, the left has the more subtle condescending racists. Condescending as in lowered expectations.
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I'm sure there is truth in that statement.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I would probably say that is a lot closer to even than you may think. While the right may have the more traditional racists that we are familiar with, the left has the more subtle condescending racists. Condescending as in lowered expectations.
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the old "soft bigotry of lowered expectations". along with that goes, we the left have to fix the problems for these people since they aren't capable themselves.

the first part comes out in the reaction to the rioting/looting embedded in the protests - it's okay for "them" to do this; it's how "they" express themselves.
 
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Reading the article and his definition of "black tax" I dont see anything inherently racial in it.

The Black Tax is about more than just the added stares, whispers and suspicions when you're out and about," he added. "It's about the many instances of disrespect and incivility your color seems to engender, and being expected to somehow always restrain yourself, lest you not be what white Americans are never asked to be: a credit to your race."
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All of that speaks to me of diversity. A *blank* skinned person in a *different blank* skinned community goes thru these things.

Stares/whispers/suspicions, come join me on a site visit via train. It's not uncommon for me to be the only white person there and have half the eyes on me, while some clearly talk about me. This is a people thing. Not racial. Remove race, have 100 UT fans and 5 Bama fans in the same space and the UT fans will treat the Bama fans similarly.

Disrespect and incivility. Same instance as the above. It was a fairly common occurrence for me to get called out by my skin color for: walking faster, using the stairs, asking what time it was, standing on the train when everyone sat. I tend to get "checked" a good bit as well. And there is no way in hades I could get away being myself in those situations and respond with sarcasm.

This all reads as assigning racial values on individual instances.

I have said it before and will say it again. If all you look for is racism, all you will find is racism. Confirmation bias. Instead of assigning any individual blame to these situations it just gets lumped under some universal group think of racism. It certainly doesnt remove, or even decrease, the likely hood of actual racism but it takes that sin from some systemic magical force down to individual instances which usually have some basis that never gets looked into.

Just look at the conversation going on and ask if white people can honestly be themselves these days?
 
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LouderVol said:
Reading the article and his definition of "black tax" I dont see anything inherently racial in it.

Just look at the conversation going on and ask if white people can honestly be themselves these days?
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You can be anything you want, trick is to actually have real conviction, walk the walk and talk the talk and don't apologize, stand your ground. If that is really what you feel or think.

If everyone was willing to actually die for the words that came out of their mouths, respecting each other would be much easier.

I don't care if you are a Dem or liberal or Rep or conservative or Christian or Muslim, you do you, don't push your sh** on anyone else, and be steadfast and unapologetic about whatever it is that you think or feel that makes you, you.

Respect yields to an abilty to tolerate, which is all that it takes to live along side one another.
 
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Gumbel:

I've been paying the Black Tax in America for almost 72 years now, long enough that I shouldn't have to ask others to simply accept one very basic reality: that our Black lives matter."
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OK, Bryant. We get it. Your black lives matter. Can we move on now?
 
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luthervol said:
I mentioned this in another thread and have mentioned it many times in the past, but..............

Everyone is racist, everyone lies somewhere on the continuum.
If we will just acknowledge that one simple point, than calling someone a racist immediately loses impact.
The response would be.......yea, isn't everyone. Now lets talk about where they are on the continuum compared to everyone else.
Its exactly like lying. Everyone lies, everyone does not lie equally.
Everyone is racist. Everyone is in no way equally racist.
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disagree, racism is not the exact same thing as prejudices, someone may have prejudices that are founded by experience, or are absolutely true or are a bunch of stereotypical BS.

RACISM which you believe that your race is superior to all others isn't the same thing.

I don't believe races are different outside of obvious looks and certain genetics.

however i do believe that some CULTURES are vastly superior to others, and race doesn't play one iota into that assumption
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
disagree, racism is not the exact same thing as prejudices, someone may have prejudices that are founded by experience, or are absolutely true or are a bunch of stereotypical BS.

RACISM which you believe that your race is superior to all others isn't the same thing.

I don't believe races are different outside of obvious looks and certain genetics.

however i do believe that some CULTURES are vastly superior to others, and race doesn't play one iota into that assumption
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Part of the definition of racism:
racial prejudice or discrimination
 
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luthervol said:
I mentioned this in another thread and have mentioned it many times in the past, but..............

Everyone is racist, everyone lies somewhere on the continuum.
If we will just acknowledge that one simple point, than calling someone a racist immediately loses impact.
The response would be.......yea, isn't everyone. Now lets talk about where they are on the continuum compared to everyone else.
Its exactly like lying. Everyone lies, everyone does not lie equally.
Everyone is racist. Everyone is in no way equally racist.
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Have you ever had an engineer load test this continuum of yours. You have an awful lot of stuff on that continuum.
 
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luthervol said:
I mentioned this in another thread and have mentioned it many times in the past, but..............

Everyone is racist, everyone lies somewhere on the continuum.
If we will just acknowledge that one simple point, than calling someone a racist immediately loses impact.
The response would be.......yea, isn't everyone. Now lets talk about where they are on the continuum compared to everyone else.
Its exactly like lying. Everyone lies, everyone does not lie equally.
Everyone is racist. Everyone is in no way equally racist.
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Your right but we have a different word for it, prejudiced. Everyone is, some more than others to the point of being what we consider racist. I agree with you, just wanted to make that distinction.
 
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luthervol said:
To me, no one would be foolish enough to say they have never in their life lied.
Just as it would be foolish for anyone to say they have never in their life felt a racial prejudice or committed some form of discrimination.
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The lying I’d agree is more likely but to say that every person has at some point judged another based on their skin tone seems like a stretch. You start throwing out absolutes and they typically don’t hold water. For instance, are you talking about just in the US or the whole world? You said everyone so that would mean the whole world and I’d venture to guess there are some that have never seen someone of another race. Again, I’d agree that most have at least once in their life but not all. Your statement is the same as saying that no one is truly color blind but I bet there are some. It’s certainly hard to be in the US when every news outlet uses descriptors for any interaction between people of different skin tones. “White cop” does whatever to “black man” as an example.
 
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luthervol said:
A lot of racism is apolitical, but since both sides try to use feelings about race to their political advantage, it can't help but fall into the political realm.
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Good Lord, you are right about that one. The way both sides pander and use it is ridiculous.
 
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LouderVol said:
Reading the article and his definition of "black tax" I dont see anything inherently racial in it.


All of that speaks to me of diversity. A *blank* skinned person in a *different blank* skinned community goes thru these things.

Stares/whispers/suspicions, come join me on a site visit via train. It's not uncommon for me to be the only white person there and have half the eyes on me, while some clearly talk about me. This is a people thing. Not racial. Remove race, have 100 UT fans and 5 Bama fans in the same space and the UT fans will treat the Bama fans similarly.

Disrespect and incivility. Same instance as the above. It was a fairly common occurrence for me to get called out by my skin color for: walking faster, using the stairs, asking what time it was, standing on the train when everyone sat. I tend to get "checked" a good bit as well. And there is no way in hades I could get away being myself in those situations and respond with sarcasm.

This all reads as assigning racial values on individual instances.

I have said it before and will say it again. If all you look for is racism, all you will find is racism. Confirmation bias. Instead of assigning any individual blame to these situations it just gets lumped under some universal group think of racism. It certainly doesnt remove, or even decrease, the likely hood of actual racism but it takes that sin from some systemic magical force down to individual instances which usually have some basis that never gets looked into.

Just look at the conversation going on and ask if white people can honestly be themselves these days?
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This reminds me of that Jane Elliott experiment with her students back in the 1968 classroom where she separated students and treated them differently based on eye color. It’s scary how fast discrimination set in.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
Congratulations. That makes you an ethnocentrist.
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well sorry, but our culture is vastly superior to people who use their hands to wipe their a**es, or that have sex with animals as normal behavior, or that practice incest, cannibalism, etc.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
This reminds me of that Jane Elliott experiment with her students back in the 1968 classroom where she separated students and treated them differently based on eye color. It’s scary how fast discrimination set in.
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Its Godwins law, but look what happened with the Germans and the jews.

Governments have a vested interest in dividing their society up as it best serves them.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
well sorry, but our culture is vastly superior to people who use their hands to wipe their a**es, or that have sex with animals as normal behavior, or that practice incest, cannibalism, etc.
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Damn straight. We like to double up here in ‘Merica. Incestuous bestiality. It has to be your bull. Go big or go home!
 
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Anymore, you can just say “hi” and be accused by the ist/ism crowd of any manner of things. I’ve never in my life been accused of being PC, so it’s nice to be self-employed and just not really give a damn if someone takes an innocent comment the wrong way because they’re looking to do so. That’s their own personal problem, not mine.

I respectfully treat everyone I meet and know the way I want to be treated and if you give me a reason to know you’re an arsehole not worth my time, I’ll ghost you.

It makes life so much easier to just give no shites.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
well sorry, but our culture is vastly superior to people who use their hands to wipe their a**es, or that have sex with animals as normal behavior, or that practice incest, cannibalism, etc.
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Reminds me of General Charles Napier

“Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs.”

Culture is not equal.
 
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