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I think UT struggles with spending in football because the funds have to be distributed between football, basketball and baseball. Three elite programs is great but it has some take.

AP made it sound like we aren’t changing much in the portal philosophy, so that’s not great.
 
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LotteryPick said:
I think UT struggles with spending in football because the funds have to be distributed between football, basketball and baseball. Three elite programs is great but it has some take.

AP made it sound like we aren’t changing much in the portal philosophy, so that’s not great.
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I always said I wouldn't take these times for granted after the bull**** we endured from 2008-2021, and I wont...but it's going to suck if we just get stuck being Georgia under Mark Richt and can never quite cross the threshold to elite.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
I always said I wouldn't take these times for granted after the bull******** we endured from 2008-2021, and I wont...but it's going to suck if we just get stuck being Georgia under Mark Richt and can never quite cross the threshold to elite.
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But that is kind of the story of Tennessee's program historically. We're a very good, but not elite program all-time. That is a highly selective category; I also would not put schools like UGA or Penn St in it. I don't think we are going to be the Penn St of the SEC...I think we are the Penn St of the SEC and have been for a long time.

Tennessee has had long periods of time in its history, other than the 2008-21 era, where we would not have even sniffed a 12-team playoff most years. We would have made a 12-team playoff just once from 1953-1964. We would not have made a single one from 1973-1984. Johnny, who a ton of our fans think was an awesome coach, would have "definitely" made a 12-team playoff just once, in 1989 (it's hard to say because of the ties in 1985 and 1990, would have been on the bubble in 1991). We've only had 2 coaches who would have consistently made them - Neyland and Fulmer (and Bill Battle if you consider 1970-72 to be a long enough period of time). And all of Fulmer's would have been 2001 and before.
 
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05_never_again said:
But that is kind of the story of Tennessee's program historically. We're a very good, but not elite program all-time. That is a highly selective category; I also would not put schools like UGA or Penn St in it. I don't think we are going to be the Penn St of the SEC...I think we are the Penn St of the SEC and have been for a long time.

Tennessee has had long periods of time in its history, other than the 2008-21 era, where we would not have even sniffed a 12-team playoff most years. We would have made a 12-team playoff just once from 1953-1964. We would not have made a single one from 1973-1984. Johnny, who a ton of our fans think was an awesome coach, would have "definitely" made a 12-team playoff just once, in 1989 (it's hard to say because of the ties in 1985 and 1990, would have been on the bubble in 1991). We've only had 2 coaches who would have consistently made them - Neyland and Fulmer (and Bill Battle if you consider 1970-72 to be a long enough period of time). And all of Fulmer's would have been 2001 and before.
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Not to this depth, but I was thinking about this over the weekend as well. We caught a lot of breaks to win the title in ‘98 and while we had a LOT of NFL talent on the roster in the 90’s and early 2000’s, it’s pretty widely accepted that Miami would have dog-walked us in ‘01, if we hadn’t shat the bed against LSU in the SECCG. We’re without a doubt in the best position we’ve been in since ‘01, but it remains to be seen if we can take that next step.
 
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We’re going to have to figure out how to get impact (potentially impactful) freshmen on the field also, not just to impact the game, but to impact recruiting in a positive way. Guys want to get paid, but they want to play also.
 
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Regulator said:
Not to this depth, but I was thinking about this over the weekend as well. We caught a lot of breaks to win the title in ‘98 and while we had a LOT of NFL talent on the roster in the 90’s and early 2000’s, it’s pretty widely accepted that Miami would have dog-walked us in ‘01, if we hadn’t shat the bed against LSU in the SECCG. We’re without a doubt in the best position we’ve been in since ‘01, but it remains to be seen if we can take that next step.
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Saban (and to a lesser extent, Kirby and Dabo) have ruined fan expectations for what is reasonable. That kind of clustering of titles (or playing for them) is absurd and, by definition, there is only a tiny number of schools that will be able to do it.

Look at the other programs who have won titles or been good at various points during last couple of decades, other than those three. LSU has won 3, and they are pretty spaced out (and their fans are perpetually upset at whoever the coach is anyway). Ohio St has won 2, and they are spaced out + currently hate their coach who hasn't won one. UF has 2, but hasn't been good a consistently good team in nearly 15 years. USC hasn't won one since 2004 and has had a lot of bad seasons since then. Oklahoma hasn't won one since 2000. Texas has one and a bunch of mediocre/bad seasons until recently. Michigan has one and was mediocre until Harbaugh's last few years. Florida St and Auburn each have one, but have also had bunch of terrible seasons. ND doesn't have any. Oregon doesn't have any. Penn St doesn't have any and hasn't played for one.

If Heupel is able to get us into the playoff about half the time that he coaches here, I really think that's all we can reasonably expect given our history as a program.

Overall, the only coach who consistently won/was in the mix for titles, never really throttled down/had bad seasons at some point, and never got chirped at by the fans was Saban. Yet a lot of people (not saying you specifically, just in a general sense) kind of act like what he did should be repeated at their school.
 
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LotteryPick said:
And you were disproven because Richt is still a horrid way to make a negative comparison.

He won 10+ NINE times at Georgia! I hope Heupel is that consistent.
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It’s laughable how fans react to nothing but the last thing they saw and build a narrative. Every team that loses in the playoff is a fraud. Nico can’t play. Heupel can’t win big games.

No nuance ever.
 
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