The Braves Thread

[Carp]

My hot take is that this (i.e., the smallest possible sliver of a pitch brushing the zone) is not a strike.

Depends on whether we're batting or pitching.

 

[Carp]

Is Ian projected to be in the 5 man rotation? Please tell me no. It's not just today. He's been bad for awhile

He needs to go directly to the pen and see if he has any value there. He isn't a major league caliber SP anymore.

 

[05_never_again]

1980 called


They want their bWAR back

I love the 80s!

 

[Carp]

IMO, bWAR does a better job capturing actual production since it doesn't use any predictive stats like FIP in it's calculations.

 

[TBrown]

IMO, bWAR does a better job capturing actual production since it doesn't use any predictive stats like FIP in it's calculations.

Sure.. if someone has a long history of consistently underperforming or consistently over performing the underlying metrics then there could be more value in the surface numbers

But on its face id rather have the guy who lined out to center at 110 mph than the guy who hit a 7 hopper through the 5.5

 

[005]

IMO, bWAR does a better job capturing actual production since it doesn't use any predictive stats like FIP in it's calculations.

I find myself, fair or not, hinking of it as:

bWAR: "How good were they (that season)?"
fWAR: "How good are they?"

I use to be rigid pro-fWAR, particularly for pitching. Have come off of that a bit.

 

[Carp]

Sure.. if someone has a long history of consistently underperforming or consistently over performing the underlying metrics then there could be more value in the surface numbers

But on its face id rather have the guy who lined out to center at 110 mph than the guy who hit a 7 hopper through the 5.5

Agreed. Long term I'd rather have the player who over the course of 1 season consistently had hard outs than the guy who consistently had soft hits.

But in 2024, there is no question that Eric Fedde had a more productive season than Pablo Lopez, even if Lopez is far more likely to be the better pitcher going forward. Actual results have got to count for something, even if they are based on pure luck.

 

[zjcvols]

There’s like 20 3B I actually don’t mind. Position is pretty deep

 

[zjcvols]

Also Ramirez, Machado and Arenado all going to be hall of famers I think

 

[zjcvols]

Seeing guys like Matt Kemp, Nick Markakis and Ryan Braun eligible for HOF voting next year hit me square in the face

 

[05_never_again]

Seeing guys like Matt Kemp, Nick Markakis and Ryan Braun eligible for HOF voting next year hit me square in the face

I don't know if the juice did more for any player than it did for Braun. And Kemp should have won MVP in 2011 anyway.

I've been a believer for a while that juicing can move players up a tier, but no more. It makes bad players mediocre, mediocre players good, etc. Braun completely fell off the face of the earth after his positive test. He only made 1 ASG in the 8 seasons after it. It's also kind of wild how anonymous he and that whole story is now. People still talk about Manny and others who juiced; it's like his name never comes up anymore, in either a positive or negative light. He's just totally irrelevant.

 

[zjcvols]

I don't know if the juice did more for any player than it did for Braun. And Kemp should have won MVP in 2011 anyway.

I've been a believer for a while that juicing can move players up a tier, but no more. It makes bad players mediocre, mediocre players good, etc. Braun completely fell off the face of the earth after his positive test. He only made 1 ASG in the 8 seasons after it. It's also kind of wild how anonymous he and that whole story is now. People still talk about Manny and others who juiced; it's like his name never comes up anymore, in either a positive or negative light. He's just totally irrelevant.

And don’t forget said the guy who “mishandled” his drug test was an Anti-Semite and smeared his name through the mud

 

[rockytop25]

Clay Holmes is now the Mets #3 starter

 

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I don't know if the juice did more for any player than it did for Braun. And Kemp should have won MVP in 2011 anyway.

I've been a believer for a while that juicing can move players up a tier, but no more. It makes bad players mediocre, mediocre players good, etc. Braun completely fell off the face of the earth after his positive test. He only made 1 ASG in the 8 seasons after it. It's also kind of wild how anonymous he and that whole story is now. People still talk about Manny and others who juiced; it's like his name never comes up anymore, in either a positive or negative light. He's just totally irrelevant.

ASG is part reputation, popularity, and overall player quality. He still mashed for a good while after the test and controversy, no?

I also think Manny being... one of the best right handed hitters of all time... compared to Braun being a masher but not near that level keeps Manny in conversations. There's no need to discuss Braun.

 

[Carp]

Also Ramirez, Machado and Arenado all going to be hall of famers I think

Ramirez and Machado need to continue playing well for another 2-3 years, imo. But they are pretty close to locks.

I don't think Arenado has a very good chance because I think he's about toast as an everyday player and he's only 33. He was extremely similar to Scot Rolen through age 31, but his stats took a nose dive after that. And Rolen remained one of top overall 3b's in baseball for several years after he turned 31. Rolen still barely got in the HOF with 70 career bWAR. Arenado might not even get to 60 career bWAR.