The constructive what do we do about ISIS and the Taliban thread

#26
#26
It warms my heart to see so much agreement from all sides. Yes. Let’s blast the **** out of ISIS from a good distance away. Only let up if they behave or are eliminated… their choice. Taliban should be on notice. Behave or you’ll have an appointment to go see Allah.

Let the rest of our allies take the lead if any of these backwards societies need an intervention. Enough US blood has been spilled trying to police these uncivilized cretins.
 
#28
#28
Our picture of what's going on there is fuzzier without people on the ground.

agree 100% and our closest operations make drone observation highly problematic.

was just pointing out that we've been repeatedly told that all is well wrt monitoring bad behavior because we have over the horizon capabilities
 
#29
#29
With foreign policy, we are “damned if you do, damned if you don’t.”

We were “infidel tyrants” before taking over Afghanistan, and then we became “infidel occupiers” afterwards. When we leave we are back to “aloof, wealthy, Western infidels who don’t care about the suffering of Afghanis.” There is no winning.

We can never do enough for a culture that already hates you no matter what you do.

If we don’t take action against terrorist groups like ISIS and the Taliban, we “just don’t care” and are evil. If we bomb those groups, who use innocents as human shields, we are then “evil murderers.” We can’t do anything right in the eyes of some.

The problem all stems from the ultra-conservative form of Islam that dominates these cultures, which teaches them to view themselves as superior and to despise all else. Even if some/most of the populace may not be very devout, it is the cultural influence of Islam that breeds the hate for the “Christian”/Infidel West.

There are some people in the world who would still hate Americans unless we gave them all our wealth and killed ourselves. Even then, they would still hate us because we didn’t do it sooner.

I recommend Bernard Lewis’ book What Went Wrong: The Clash Between Islam and Modernity in the Middle East. It is a history of how ultra-conservative Islam took hold when the West surpassed the Muslim world in wealth, power, and influence, and how Islamic theology couldn’t square this fact away with the belief that Islam would soon conquer the world. “If only we are more devout and follow Sharia to the letter will Allah bless us with victory over the infidels” is the train of thought. It is very analogous to Jewish thinking during the Roman occupation in the time of Jesus. Except, now we are Rome, and Islamic terrorists are the Zealots and Sicarii.
 
#32
#32
It warms my heart to see so much agreement from all sides. Yes. Let’s blast the **** out of ISIS from a good distance away. Only let up if they behave or are eliminated… their choice. Taliban should be on notice. Behave or you’ll have an appointment to go see Allah.

Let the rest of our allies take the lead if any of these backwards societies need an intervention. Enough US blood has been spilled trying to police these uncivilized cretins.
I agree 100%, but I would add that we also stay out of their affairs as well.
 
#34
#34
Yep. The people of Afg have shown they don't want to govern themselves. Taliban is about the best they'll get

Actually they do want to govern themselves. Unfortunately their idea if what that means is vastly different than ours and most of the civilized world. This is an example of what you can get if religion becomes the model for governance. The world is eventually going to have to meet them head on because as I understand it their mission is to bring their way of life to everyone or else kill them.
 
#35
#35
I agree 100%, but I would add that we also stay out of their affairs as well.
We’re pretty well equipped to deliver death and destruction from afar with minimal risk and exposure to our military. It’s clear there is no desire to use diplomacy by these asshats so just end them as they pop up. And give the finger to anybody who screeches.
 
#36
#36
Actually they do want to govern themselves. Unfortunately their idea if what that means is vastly different than ours and most of the civilized world. This is an example of what you can get if religion becomes the model for governance. The world is eventually going to have to meet them head on because as I understand it their mission is to bring their way of life to everyone or else kill them.
Then we kill them every time they act out. Next problem.
 
#37
#37
My answer to the OP is to give them the same treatment we gave Solimani. Use them as bombing practice. No more boots on the ground
 
#42
#42
Leave Afghanistan and the Taliban alone as long as they stay within the confines of Afghanistan. If they allow ISIS or any other terrorist organization to use Afgan territory for training or support we bomb the ever living **** out of them.
ISIS currently holds/governs territory in Afghanistan. By definition that would qualify.

And if it benefits either one situationally, one would allow the other to operate unfettered. If that's the threshold may as well go ahead and bomb away.
 
#44
#44
This is where I am as well. They've shown a desire to do that, but they need to actually follow through on it.

Are they trustworthy? No. But we can let them know that we will hold them individually responsible for keeping ISIS-K in check. They attack us, we hit ISIS-K times 5 and hit them as well.
The Taliban released ISIS prisoners, they must likely set the attacks in motion.
 
#45
#45
Leave Afghanistan and the Taliban alone as long as they stay within the confines of Afghanistan. If they allow ISIS or any other terrorist organization to use Afgan territory for training or support we bomb the ever living **** out of them.
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#46
#46
I agree 100%, but I would add that we also stay out of their affairs as well.

Yes. That is what I was getting at without fully communicating it. Let our allies and the United Nations deal with them. We try to make things right and get criticized over it. Not our problem until they are about to put planes into our buildings over here.
 
#47
#47
The Taliban released ISIS prisoners, they must likely set the attacks in motion.


I am not sure they realized what they were doing when that happened.

You've got the Taliban taking over from the collapsed Afghan regime, and now ISIS-K battling the Taliban for control. We could end up giving air support to the Taliban, as weird as that sounds (reads).
 
#48
#48
I’m a fan of AC-130 gunships;)
AC’s can really only operate in battle spaces where we dominate the air space and can act with impunity. As we learned in ‘91 they can be brought down by a single MANPAD. That event led to us extending their stand off range to enhance their survivability. ACs live to support troops on the ground engaged with the enemy. If we don’t have troops in contact there are few if any scenarios it makes sense to expose them to threats. In today’s doctrine we would send in armed MQ-9’s and surveillance RQ-170’s to support any special ops people we might have on the ground. And their direct air support would probably come from their taxi service of helos from the 160th SOAR
 
#49
#49
I am not sure they realized what they were doing when that happened.

You've got the Taliban taking over from the collapsed Afghan regime, and now ISIS-K battling the Taliban for control. We could end up giving air support to the Taliban, as weird as that sounds (reads).
That is possible, perhaps the post would be more accurate that they unknowingly set the events in motion.
 
#50
#50
Too expensive and not needed. Send in B-2’s with JDAMs
Yes. But that still involves American pilots flying over that pile of sand and rocks.

I’d much prefer to simply lob missiles from the safety of US Destroyers parked in the Gulf.
 

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