The constructive what do we do about ISIS and the Taliban thread

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do we have an agreement to fly over Pakistan? looking at a map it's about 200 miles from the Gulf of Oman to the southern border of Afghanistan going over Pakistan - then it's another 250 or more to Kabul area. looking at 1000 miles round trip minimum from a carrier and that's not counting much cruising around observation/intel time.
A 1000 miles is no problem for an MQ-4. Id guess they probably launch them more from the sand box though.
 
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We operate UAVs flying all over the world out of Arizona.

I get remote operation - it's getting the physical asset into the area.

clearly we were trying to get permission from surrounding countries for a reason (though Russia put the kibash on that).

so it sounds like the gulf or UAE, Saudi Arabia, are the closest place we could launch from.
 
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I get remote operation - it's getting the physical asset into the area.

clearly we were trying to get permission from surrounding countries for a reason (though Russia put the kibash on that).

so it sounds like the gulf or UAE, Saudi Arabia, are the closest place we could launch from.
North Africa factors in also I believe. And maybe Diego Garcia? Diego would of course limit to very long endurance types like the MQ-4
 
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I get remote operation - it's getting the physical asset into the area.

clearly we were trying to get permission from surrounding countries for a reason (though Russia put the kibash on that).

so it sounds like the gulf or UAE, Saudi Arabia, are the closest place we could launch from.

They could launch out of Aviano, Suda Bay, UAE, Kuwait or even the Azores.
 
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do we have an agreement to fly over Pakistan? looking at a map it's about 200 miles from the Gulf of Oman to the southern border of Afghanistan going over Pakistan - then it's another 250 or more to Kabul area. looking at 1000 miles round trip minimum from a carrier and that's not counting much cruising around observation/intel time.
And that’s why God created in-flight refueling
 
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The Afghans, along with some other Muslim peoples like the Palestinians are nothing more than a bunch of peasants that are forever stuck in the 7th century. They are basically barbarians and live and think as such, never contributing to society only causing trouble. They are dumb as a brick for the most part and understand two things: Money and fear. So, how do you win permanent victory over a adversary such as this? The answer is simple and very cruel. No one has the ba!!s to do it either. You have to make them fear you....forever. You have to target not only them, but their families safety/freedom and their interests. Even if they off themselves in a suicide bombing they will still have to fear that their family will be targeted. The most cost effective way to do this is to round up their immediate families and force them all to work in a prison camp for 5 years, mining gold or other valuables that can be transported out of their country back to the U.S. That would not only make them fear us, but would help pay us back for the war effort. You must also do the same for all those who have helped or financed them in and way. Round them up and kill them, or send them to work in the prison camps. That's how you beat barbarians, by becoming a barbarian yourself.
 
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The Afghans, along with some other Muslim peoples like the Palestinians are nothing more than a bunch of peasants that are forever stuck in the 7th century. They are basically barbarians and live and think as such, never contributing to society only causing trouble. They are dumb as a brick for the most part and understand two things: Money and fear. So, how do you win permanent victory over a adversary such as this? The answer is simple and very cruel. No one has the ba!!s to do it either. You have to make them fear you....forever. You have to target not only them, but their families safety/freedom and their interests. Even if they off themselves in a suicide bombing they will still have to fear that their family will be targeted. The most cost effective way to do this is to round up their immediate families and force them all to work in a prison camp for 5 years, mining gold or other valuables that can be transported out of their country back to the U.S. That would not only make them fear us, but would help pay us back for the war effort. You must also do the same for all those who have helped or financed them in and way. Round them up and kill them, or send them to work in the prison camps. That's how you beat barbarians, by becoming a barbarian yourself.

Afghanistan, Pakistan ext were more advanced in the 60s and 70s than they are today. Fundamentalist Islam has set them back centuries.
 
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Pretty much but you know we are never going to do that. We’ve just been running a police action (much like Vietnam) for years and the result was predictable. How long did the Russians fight the Afghans? Wasn’t it 10 years? They couldn’t beat them and finally left. This sort of mess has been going on there for thousands of years. The problem is they are like cockroaches and you will never stomp them out. When the bombing starts they’ll just retreat to their caves and come out when the smoke clears. Even if you turn it into a parking lot, you’ll never get them all. The wild thing is that ISIS-K doesn’t like the Taliban as they think the Taliban is too liberal and that is going to be a war. I think leaving is the correct thing to do. Biden’s people should have done a better job of executing the evacuation but I believe the decision is correct. Keep them pinned in and let the animals kill each other. No more American blood for a police action. If regular Afghans aren’t going to stand and fight for themselves, why should we do it for them? We can win conventional wars against anybody but this like Vietnam is anything but that. If you don’t learn from history.......
 
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Pretty much but you know we are never going to do that. We’ve just been running a police action (much like Vietnam) for years and the result was predictable. How long did the Russians fight the Afghans? Wasn’t it 10 years? They couldn’t beat them and finally left. This sort of mess has been going on there for thousands of years. The problem is they are like cockroaches and you will never stomp them out. When the bombing starts they’ll just retreat to their caves and come out when the smoke clears. Even if you turn it into a parking lot, you’ll never get them all. The wild thing is that ISIS-K doesn’t like the Taliban as they think the Taliban is too liberal and that is going to be a war. I think leaving is the correct thing to do. Biden’s people should have done a better job of executing the evacuation but I believe the decision is correct. Keep them pinned in and let the animals kill each other. No more American blood for a police action. If regular Afghans aren’t going to stand and fight for themselves, why should we do it for them? We can win conventional wars against anybody but this like Vietnam is anything but that. If you don’t learn from history.......
That was in response to Norrislakevol’s post. Not sure what button I didn’t hit.
 
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And we can certainly blame Biden for execution of the evacuation. That’s been pretty poor. But I also saw an interview with our ambassador over there and he said repeated warnings had been sent over several months to Americans in Afghanistan that trouble was imminent and many ignored the warnings. The point was that many could have left before the trouble really started and they didn’t. Biden and Trump both did poor jobs of getting our Afghan collaborators out of there. That is not going to be pretty for those that don’t get out.
 
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Afghanistan, Pakistan ext were more advanced in the 60s and 70s than they are today. Fundamentalist Islam has set them back centuries.

Absolutely. Look at Iran. A lot of the Persians there absolutely hate their ruling class. They'd kill every one of them if they had arms. I personally know some Iranian Christians that I do business with. Wonderful people, and I'll give you one guess as to why they aren't there any more. One of the guys knows I grow crops and fruits. I have brought them some lemons off my miniature lemon tree before. He always tells me of how good the farms were back home.
 
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Mods, please do not move this or fold it into another thread. This thread is not about the political consequences of what has happened. This thread is about what the US ought to do MOVING INTO THE FUTURE as to ISIS and the Taliban.

We all know that reprisals are in the offing, as they should be. And we all know such will be used to recruit more ISIS and Taliban fighters. And there will be more terror, and more reprisals.

Is there a long-term solution? The Taliban by all accounts is not as interested in global terror as ISIS. The Taliban want their own country, i.e. Afghanistan, and to run it the way they see fit. We find their ways abhorrent, i.e. the way they treat women. But what is our obligation to interfere in their way of life to the point that we engender more of this cycle of never ending violence?

Do we let them have their own country. Leave it completely alone. No effort to intervene to stop human rights abuses. No effort to have Western cultural influence. Just leave them be. Or do we continue to have the delusion that we can persuade them to join the 21st century?

And ISIS. Shall we bomb them and consequences be damned? Maybe announce to the world that in 3 days we will mass bombard their leadership and strongholds. Anyone smart should get miles away form them. If you hide them then you will go to see Allah with them.

Did you expect any response to this other than “let them kill each other” or “bomb them”?
 
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Did you expect any response to this other than “let them kill each other” or “bomb them”?
Why is it our problem? Why? I don’t care what they do in their shithole country but if they attack us we should end them. That’s it.
 
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What about giving the Taliban intelligence and equipment to help them beat ISIS?
Hell no. Why don’t we just kill any of them that attempt to attack us. I don’t care if they kill each other. Let them fight it out and then kill the winner.

Have you already forgotten what an oppressive regime they are?
 
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Hell no. Why don’t we just kill any of them that attempt to attack us. I don’t care if they kill each other. Let them fight it out and then kill the winner.

Have you already forgotten what an oppressive regime they are?


Just picking the least worst option.
 
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Just picking the least worst option.
That’s letting them fight and killing the winner



You know what you’re right. I think the Biden admin should further our ties with the Taliban. Provide intelligence and arms and even air support! The Biden WH should embrace the Taliban!
 
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That’s letting them fight and killing the winner



You know what you’re right. I think the Biden admin should further our ties with the Taliban. Provide intelligence and arms and even air support! The Biden WH should embrace the Taliban!
Ilhan Omar supports the notion of some people doing something.
 
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I’m deeply saddened to say we should just come home and lick our wounds. We need to focus on fixing our own government because we can’t trust this administration to not make the situation catastrophically worse. And it’s not just Biden. Harris, Rice, Austin, Milley, Schiff, all the way down to Psaki are in over their heads and not fit for their positions.
 
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And it’s not just Biden. Harris, Rice, Austin, Milley, Schiff, all the way down to Psaki are in over their heads and not fit for their positions.
And then you woke up...

Now how about a realistic solution? Because they ain't going anywhere and there are plenty of equally inept fools on the other side of the aisle.
 
And then you woke up...

Now how about a realistic solution? Because they ain't going anywhere and there are plenty of equally inept fools on the other side of the aisle.
At this point I'm more concerned about our idiotic military leaders as much as I am about our idiotic politicians. The military should have been able to come up with a plan to leave Afghanistan years ago that would have shrunk things down and eventually left instead of engineering the biggest cluster F of the last 10 years. The next congress and president need to clean house in the top military ranks before they destroy us with white rage training and trans crap in the military.
 

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