The drug use an explanation for why....

[NashVol11]

Done with the steak, halfway through the blunt, and 1/4 into the game. Bama D looks good, Can't believe colt is out, and Saban, wtf? Oh yeh- really good stuff!! =)all of it
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Should have smoked before the steak...

 

[PoochPunt3rdDown]

Tangential much? Apparently there is no vaccine for .........

I am so sick of hearing about weed. It's an overrated buzz. Most of the people who do it somehow think they are better than those whom don't. Like they get it, and b/c we abstain, we're less in tune....

That being said, weed should be legal so we can thin out the prison population and ease law enforcement responsibility for an essentially victimless crime. If we're looking for ways to cut the deficit, that would be a great place to start. It also has been proven to help AIDS and cancer patients for obvious reasons...

Did weed factor in to this team not reaching full potential this year and last? Perhaps. I've often thought that some of the players seemed lax. Maybe this will cleanse the roster of that element, and put the fear into the others that didn't get caught....

I would love to debate with someone whom believes weed could do anything but make one worse at basketball. Really, how could smoking something make you better at running, jumping, and increase your stamina? That's not even taking the psychotropic effects into consideration.

I'm done....

 

[arTfuldodger]

Call Allen Iverson,Kenyon Martin, Carmelo Anthony, I could go all day, and ask them. They seem to be pretty good at basketball. No , you seem to have the weed thing pretty figured out short of the bball statement. Its the people that have fallen victim to the reefer madness propaganda thàt I feel don't get it. Your points are very well thought out about the prison/criminal system.
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[The Dude]

Call Allen Iverson,Kenyon Martin, Carmelo Anthony, I could go all day, and ask them. They seem to be pretty good at basketball. No , you seem to have the weed thing pretty figured out short of the bball statement. Its the people that have fallen victim to the reefer madness propaganda thàt I feel don't get it. Your points are very well thought out about the prison/criminal system.
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Any honest smoker will admit that weed does or would alter athletic performance. The lethargy is part of the appeal, much like an alcohol buzz. Yeah, those guys may smoke but that doesn't mean they play high....if that's what you're saying.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Call Allen Iverson,Kenyon Martin, Carmelo Anthony, I could go all day, and ask them. They seem to be pretty good at basketball. No , you seem to have the weed thing pretty figured out short of the bball statement. Its the people that have fallen victim to the reefer madness propaganda thàt I feel don't get it. Your points are very well thought out about the prison/criminal system.
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You clearly missed the point.

 

[Vercingetorix]

And what you describe exactly parralels my rel with the American Medical monster- vacc are one of the things I freely chOose to avoid. If I break my arm, I obviously get a cast. I'm not an idiot. I don't have a problem with many meds, others I do. I hate the whole ADHD ADD thing, thinks its a cop out(to put it simply). I use my knowledge,beliefs, and experience to determine what's best for me. If everyone were on the same side of the boat, the boat would sink. (Example; If there were a tribe of people, and the men could either choose to defend their tribe(which was a must for survival) or to be a reproductive male. For the sake of the point, they can only do one. If every one of them want to mate, they'll all die because no1 defends them/gets food. If they all want to fight, no1 continues their seed and legacy and they defend a bunch of old women till they all die. Is either choice the wrong one? Its relative to the current situation and number of fighters/reproducers. So they must maintain a cerain level of balance between the two, and not everyone lives the life they wish. If I don't have to vaccinate my kids I'm not going to. Its not my fault what other people do/dont do. Maybe if I was in a different time period where the risks/ %'s were different, I'd vaccinate my children. But its 2010, and the risks of not vaccinated are on par with the risks of negative side effects(not necc lethal) for choosing to. I'm only responsible for my choices and actions. I can't be held responsible or blamed for others choices.
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Exactly. That's the point. Vaccinations are an absolute, categorical good for the human race -- otherwise you and your family might be dying of smallpox right now -- at the cost of a minor, mostly theoretical risk to the individual. You're selfishly basking in the benefit that everybody else around you has provided without absorbing any of that tiny bit of risk on yourself. Everybody else takes a little bit of that risk on themselves in order to do things like get rid of smallpox and polio, but not you. You're too good for that. Everybody else in town gets a needle stuck in their arm to get rid of smallpox, and your family refuses to do so but benefits anyway. It would be hard to describe something more selfish than that.

As I said to begin with: detestable.

 

[PoochPunt3rdDown]

Call Allen Iverson,Kenyon Martin, Carmelo Anthony, I could go all day, and ask them. They seem to be pretty good at basketball. No , you seem to have the weed thing pretty figured out short of the bball statement. Its the people that have fallen victim to the reefer madness propaganda thàt I feel don't get it. Your points are very well thought out about the prison/criminal system.
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The players you mentioned are all outstanding. I'm a big fan of A.I. when he's playing, and Carmelo for being Carmelo. Both have, unfortunately, shown lapses of judgement, at times, in their lives. AI is notoriously bad about practice and being on time. And Carmelo was in a "don't snitch" video back in Baltimore after getting in the NBA. These errors in action cannot be blamed entirely on weed, but it does help to color these elements of their personalities when taken in concert with the known effects of marijuana.

Aren't these issues also part of being a basketball player in today's society? Don't the best players show up for practice on time and ready to go, and avoid involving themselves in controversial behavior that could be seen as potentially criminal? This is the reality of the modern athlete.

Pot really is an escape for some. No doubt it has helped artists, writers, musicians to cognitively expand on themes; maybe even mathematicians, philosophers and countless others. Those pursuits allow for a sedentary lifestyle, with an internal focus. A basketball player on the other hand, needs all of his faculties both mental and physical to be at their peak in order to be the best player....

 

[arTfuldodger]

The players you mentioned are all outstanding. I'm a big fan of A.I. when he's playing, and Carmelo for being Carmelo. Both have, unfortunately, shown lapses of judgement, at times, in their lives. AI is notoriously bad about practice and being on time. And Carmelo was in a "don't snitch" video back in Baltimore after getting in the NBA. These errors in action cannot be blamed entirely on weed, but it does help to color these elements of their personalities when taken in concert with the known effects of marijuana.

Aren't these issues also part of being a basketball player in today's society? Don't the best players show up for practice on time and ready to go, and avoid involving themselves in controversial behavior that could be seen as potentially criminal? This is the reality of the modern athlete.

Pot really is an escape for some. No doubt it has helped artists, writers, musicians to cognitively expand on themes; maybe even mathematicians, philosophers and countless others. Those pursuits allow for a sedentary lifestyle, with an internal focus. A basketball player on the other hand, needs all of his faculties both mental and physical to be at their peak in order to be the best player....

Good post. If we argue that anything they do that's "bad" for them is making them a worse bball player, then they shouldn't drink soda, eat pizza, drink liquor, cake,bbq,candy. Now at what point is it more harm to micromanage them than to allow their freedom. My point is yes, it is def true that it mildly hinders your wind-endurance, but not to a degree that should allow for scrutiny of athletes who smoke, unless you want to tell them what time to go to sleep, what vitamins to take, and so forth, becauuse that's the level the "negative" effects of smoking are on. BTW I didn't play D1, but I did play NAIA and smoked weed during the season after practice/games/workouts. I maintained a 3.1 and it helped me tremedously. Def more so than it hurt me.
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[PoochPunt3rdDown]

Good post. If we argue that anything they do that's "bad" for them is making them a worse bball player, then they shouldn't drink soda, eat pizza, drink liquor, cake,bbq,candy. Now at what point is it more harm to micromanage them than to allow their freedom. My point is yes, it is def true that it mildly hinders your wind-endurance, but not to a degree that should allow for scrutiny of athletes who smoke, unless you want to tell them what time to go to sleep, what vitamins to take, and so forth, becauuse that's the level the "negative" effects of smoking are on. BTW I didn't play D1, but I did play NAIA and smoked weed during the season after practice/games/workouts. I maintained a 3.1 and it helped me tremedously. Def more so than it hurt me.
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That's a valid argument. I don't believe that weed is particularly harmful, at all, when smoked in moderation. But therein lies the rub; if a player smokes occasionally, not every day, then it could be argued that the detrimental effects are minimized by their elevated level of the young athlete's physical fitness.

But, surely you agree that smoking every day will have an ultimately negative effect on your respiratory system, much the same way that consuming greasy daily food will eventually lead to clogged arteries.

 

[arTfuldodger]

That's a valid argument. I don't believe that weed is particularly harmful, at all, when smoked in moderation. But therein lies the rub; if a player smokes occasionally, not every day, then it could be argued that the detrimental effects are minimized by their elevated level of the young athlete's physical fitness.

But, surely you agree that smoking every day will have an ultimately negative effect on your respiratory system, much the same way that consuming greasy daily food will eventually lead to clogged arteries.

Yes as a rule, but even this has as much to do with genes as anything. The same way some people smoke cigs for 40 years and never have anything more than a raspy throat. Then some people smoke for 12 years and get chronic lung cancer,
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[Gator H8R]

possible, but one of my really good friends is possibly one of the biggest pot heads i've ever met and has one of the best gpas out of all my friends. doing that with a bcmb major isn't that easy.

sorry, had to get in a little defense for the stoners out there

+1 I smoke weed every day and just made the deans list last semester. Weed affects a person in only the way they want it to affect them. If they wanna be lazy bums then they will be bums on or off weed, if they wanna be responsible and sucsessful then they will be.