The Fab 5.

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doozer said:
Funderburke was a hard nosed guy who gave RMK fits too, in Bloomington and Columbus.

I remember the Chaney/Jackson match ups better than the the games with the Fabs.
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The double overtime game in '91 and the game in Bloomington in '92 were arguably the two best IU-OSU games ever.
 
#30
#30
Great documentary. Jalen Rose was outstanding.

I got the feeling there may still be some sprained feelings over Webber throwing their sugar daddy under a bus when he was being investigated.

The look on Jimmy King's face when they discussed Webber calling timeout was priceless.
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zjcvols said:
Jalen Rose was a man's man. What a leader.
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Yes, I learned a lot about Rose watching this. He was the reason that five stayed together the way they did and I'm sure the reason the uppperclassmen handled it well. That type of tough leadership is rare. I loved the part where the assistant coach talked about how tough he was. That's a trait I would love to have in any kid that wanted to play for me. Very hard to find and invaluable when you do. I grew up liking the tarheels because of Dean Smith, so I'm still glad he called the t.o.! :)
 
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#32
Lawrence Wright said:
Great documentary. Jalen Rose was outstanding.

I got the feeling there may still be some sprained feelings over Webber throwing their sugar daddy under a bus when he was being investigated.

The look on Jimmy King's face when they discussed Webber calling timeout was priceless.
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Good post. I really enjoyed the doc, missed the first 30 mins, will watch again for sure.
 
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hatvol96 said:
He played so long in the NBA after he blew out his knee that people tend to forget how good he was pre injury.
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People kept trying to compare Turner to him and that was just silly. Jackson was bigger, stronger, better boards and better shooter. Letting the absence of NBA talent obscure the reality is no excuse. Jackson was a beast in ever sense of the word.
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BigPapaVol said:
He was and is one of my favorites, but Jackson was in a whole 'nother league.
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isn't Cheany still the All Time leading scorer in the Big 10 (for probably ever now)? i don't know if could compare the two, i'm biased. i'll say this, shame he never got a title.

Purdue was no slouch either. hilarious they never got to the final 4 with Glenn Robinson.

i would love to be able to watch these old games.
 
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hatvol96 said:
He played so long in the NBA after he blew out his knee that people tend to forget how good he was pre injury.
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Yeah, I watched him play in his prime several times with the Bullets. As much as I hated IU in the 90's because of our rivalry, I always respected the hell outta CC. That team with Cheaney, Nover, Henderson etc., was amazing to watch.
 
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doozer said:
isn't Cheany still the All Time leading scorer in the Big 10 (for probably ever now)? i don't know if could compare the two, i'm biased. i'll say this, shame he never got a title.

Purdue was no slouch either. hilarious they never got to the final 4 with Glenn Robinson.
i would love to be able to watch these old games.
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I was at TBA to watch that Purdue/Duke Robinson vs Hill game. Was a pleasure to watch as I was only 14. Big Dog was dominate in college.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
People kept trying to compare Turner to him and that was just silly. Jackson was bigger, stronger, better boards and better shooter. Letting the absence of NBA talent obscure the reality is no excuse. Jackson was a beast in ever sense of the word.
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Evan Turner dreams of living in a world where he's half as good as Jim Jackson.
 
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#41
THE TRUTH ABOUT THE FAB 5. (WILL HAVE MULTIPLE POSTS, PLEASE WAIT) BORROWED FROM SPARTANTAILGATE.COM

The following information was taken from various newspaper articles and i want to state this is also my OPINION of what happened based on these records and articles.

I will do this in 3 PARTS:

The truth about the Fab Five and Michigan Basketball:
1. “These are the most flagrant violations where money is involved in the history of intercollegiate athletics” (Don Canham-former UM AD)
2. “I kept hearing minor violation, minor violations- these are major, major violations.” (Don Canham).
3. “The entire era of the Fab five was a disgrace to the University of Michigan (Don Canham)
4. On Bill Martin saying they had a wonderful legacy. “I thought what he said was complete nonsense and he didn’t know anything about the situation or didn’t want to know.” (Don Canham) Note-- (Bill Martin later changes his mind and wants distance between UM and the Fab Five, however, it did not occur before Jimmy King and Ray Jackson help recruit Daniel Horton to UM).
5. “The thing that bothers me is that they fired Tom Goss (UM AD) because he tried to clean it up.
(Don Canham).
6. “This continued ever after Fisher left. (Don Canham)

What Happened:
1. Four players were paid $616,000 dollars –Chris Webber, Maurice Taylor, Robert Traylor, Louis Bullock. However the scandal long before this and ended long after.
2. McCabe/Freep: Martin paid players to go to UM and nowhere else. Taylor’s girlfriend said he had nothing when she met him and everything after. McCabe mentioned WJR as part of the cover-up and that they chose someone else to speak on the issue (Spadafore).
3. Ed Martin was involved with the following players minimally and many more players suspected:
A. Glen Rice (85-89)
B. Terry Mills(87-90)
C. Chris Webber (91-93)
D. Jalen Rose (91-94)
E. Maurice Taylor (94-97)
F. Louis Bullock (95-99)
G. Robert Traylor (95-98)
H. Albert White (96)
4. UM investigation did not go back to include Terry Mills or Glen Rice who had a clear connection to Ed Martin per March 24th, 2002 article by Jim Carty.
5. Robert Traylor, Maurice Taylor, and Louis Bullock all took money AFTER the banning of Ed Martin.
6. Ed Martin in fact took Mills father to the Windsor Raceway in 1984.
7. Jamal Crawford took three loans from Barry Henthorn all between 15,000-25,000 and received 3-vehicles including a Mercedes, gifts, AFTER the banning of Ed Martin. (There seems to be a connection between Henthorn and Martin also ).
8. Albert White took $37,000 from Ed Martin to attend UM per Sept 4th, 1999 Freep article. Although less money than others, this proved to be the most damaging. Because money was also given to his family and friends to influence his decision, which countered Martin's claim that this was a loan to be repaid.
9. Reporter John Beckett (October `12th, 1999, Ann Arbor News) said he told Steve Fisher after the 1989-90 season that players were getting “golden handshakes” and boosters were “slipping players money after games” and Fisher did nothing. Said Becker, “Fisher was perfectly content ‘not’ knowing.”
10. UM claimed that Martin gave money to players that went to other schools, however the only one that even remotely true was Albert White, who took $37,000 to go to Michigan and then transferred to Missouri after falling out with the coaching staff. As Voshon Leonard, Willie Burton, Anderson Hunt found out—if you don’t go to UM, you get nothing.
11. Bill Martin mislead people by saying Ed Martin was not a traditional booster—“because he didn’t go to UM or attend football games.” However he attended a lot of basketball games.
12. Chris Webber took 50,000 dollars the day he signed with UM.
13. Webber's family received also received money and gifts to influence his decision.
14. Steve Fisher allowed Martin to sit next to recruits at games with complimentary tickets.
15. Ed Martin often set up recruit press conferences and handed out UM hats.
16. Ed Martin set up strippers and alcohol for recruits.
17. Ed Martin received hotel reservations to the Final Four on the team floor. Something the most ardent booster cannot do.
18. Ed Martin was in Robert Traylor’s house during Steve Fishers in-house visit.
19. Fisher made numerous phone calls to Ed Martin per phone records also including pertaining to the final four.
20. Fisher wrote a note that explained Ed Martin was to sit next to recruit Willie Mitchell on Feb 18th, 1994.
21. Mick McCabe/FREEP: “Ed Martin paid players to go to UM and nowhere else, UM lacked institutional control…UM did a cover up, and other teams wasted a lot of time, effort, and money, to recruit players UM bought".
22. Bullock and Traylor took money only in college showing a direct connect between UM and Ed Martin.
23. Antoine Joubert took large amounts of money to ‘mow lawns’ for Ed Martin.
24. When indicted, Ed Martin stood on the courthouse steps and shouted, “Go Blue!”
25. Ed Martin paid for an apartment for Chris Webber and Jalen Rose.
26. Robert Traylor sometimes listed his address as 17430 Fairway Drive, which happened to be Ed Martins home address.
27. Money wasn’t the only gifts—apartments, cars, furs coats, jewelry, cologne and perfumes, cakes, food, etc. were also included.
28. Handwriting experts said Steve fisher forged (“PW”) on complimentary tickets to Ed Martin. Fisher said this was to show who requested them (allegedly Perry Watson), but Fisher fails to tell investigators this.
29. Mick McCabe claims that “UM lobbed softball questions to Ed Martin because they didn’t want to know the truth.”
30. FBI special agent John Bell said, “Players were less than forthcoming".
31. Chris Webber refused to answer questions related to point shaving. (Ann Arbor News, August 3rd, 2000).

End Of Part One.
 
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32. UM did not only three poor investigations, but had to reopen investigations in both the Ed Martin case on May 28th, 1999 but in the Jamal Crawford case in 2000.
33. Had a proper investigation been done back to Mills and others, this coincided with major baseball violations in UM’s program from 1983-1988 including Rice, Mills, and apparently Jalen Rose.
34. The FBI raided Martins home and ten other homes and found receipts connecting Ed Martin and players. They also found gambling ledgers, drug paraphernalia, large amounts of cash, and autographed posters of the Fab Five.
35. Former UM player Leslie Rockymore who played for Bill Frieder, said Ed Martin was frequently around the program and gave gifts to Terry Mills.
36. The Fab Five helped increased revenue from 1.6 million to 6.2 million but UM only chose to repay $450,000.
37. “Fisher knew exactly what Martin was doing, Fisher let Ed Martin become his partner, keeping the programs best players happy, there’s no denying that anymore.” (Jim Carty).
38. “It is absolutely unforgiveable that Bullock was allowed to pull this off after the dust has settled, this one won’t go away easily, because the Bullock episode comes after the whistle was first blown on Ed Martin and after UM conducted it’s own investigation.”
39. Other boosters came to light as well including Barry Henthorn, Marion Jones, and James Brown.
40. Jalen Rose was ticketed for loitering at a drug house during a raid. (1993)
41. Jimmy King, Ray Jackson, and Chris fields steal beer form a Dairy Mart. (1994)
42. Charles Woodson and David Bowen received money, clothes, transportation and other perks from agents Darnell Jones and James Brown while Woodson is in college. Jones said he “discovered” Woodson long before 1997 and that he gave Woodson and his mother gifts including a fur coat. Some claim that UM knew and kept this a secret until 2001 when the NCAA statute regarding further penalty ran out. Had UM reported this he likely would have received a one-game suspension like Peter Warrick of FSU and lost the Heisman Trophy and perhaps a National Championship for UM.
43. During this time Jamal Crawford comes to light:
A. He receives three loans and three vehicles including a Chevy Blazer.
B. He also receives numerous gifts, cash, a Mercedes, and gold jewelry.
C. Barry Henthorn said UM knew about the gifts from “Day One”.
D. Henthorn’s assistant Darcienne LeRoue files a lawsuit claiming she was coerced into signing three loans to “evade NCAA rules.”
E. It is discovered the third vehicle is a Jeep Grand Cherokee, and that he also received housing, spending money, and clothes as well.
F. Crawford receives $25,000, the NCAA asks him to return $11,300.
44. UM Academic fraud and steering athletes to easier classes happened even in this era, and nothing is done.
 
#43
#43
STEVE FISHER:
1. Steve Fisher “recruited Ed Martin.”
2. Steve Fisher gave Ed Martin complimentary tickets to sit next to recruits.
3. Fisher invited or allowed Ed Martin to be present on Robert Traylor’s in-home visit.
4. Martin received dozens of comp tickets at least 36 comp tickets between 91-92, and 93-94 seasons.
5. Fisher made at least 39 phone calls to Martins home in a short period of time.
6. Fishers assistant Perry Watson and Ed Martin allegedly became good friends in 1981.
7. Um coaches claim they “treated with Ed Martin with respect for fear he could have a negative impact on recruiting.”
8. Fisher did not report an apartment deposit to UM AD Joe Roberson.
9. Fisher was allegedly aware of Robert Traylor driving a $47,000 vehicle and Traylor giving tickets to a friend with ‘drug convictions’ and did nothing.
10. Fishers players have “numerous inconsistencies” on rollover accident.
11. Fisher booked a room on the team floor for Ed Martin at the Final Four, an advantage not even the most ardent booster could receive.
12. Fisher claimed UM put intense pressure to recruit well and he courted Perry Watson, and employed Juwan’s guardian Donnie Kirksey at his summer camp despite Kirksey’s minimal basketball credentials. Kirksey also receives outrageous fees.
13. After the 1989-90 season reporter john Beckett informed fisher that players were “getting golden handshakes” and "boosters were slipping players money after games" and "in the locker room". (John Beckett, Ann Arbor News, Oct 12th, 1997)
14. Beckett said “Fisher was perfectly content not knowing.”
15. Fisher had a written note specifying that Ed Martin be given permission to sit next to Willie Mitchell., basketball recruit on Feb 19, 1994. A violation of NCAA bylaw 13.0212.
16. Fisher allows Ed Martin to attend to attend Albert White’s and Robert Traylor’s press conference and hand out a “large bag of UM hats.”
17. Maurice Taylor had a $40,000 vehicle Fisher claimed belonged to Taylor’s aunt, Sabrina Lloyd who lived in a house assessed at $31,000.
18. Perry Watson said he did not know if he approved comp tickets for Ed Martin, but it was “possible” he had. Fisher said Watson arranged comp tickets for Ed Martin on “several occasions”. Watson then said he “doesn’t remember.”
19. A Kansas law firm showed that Fisher forged “PW” on at least 5 or 6 handwriting samples.
20. Kansas law firm claims that Fisher states he never wrote Watson's initials. At another time he said he initialed some to show who requested them.
21. Fisher states, “Until August of 1996, no one told me Ed Martin was someone I needed to be leery of or concerned about, end of discussion.” (Ann Arbor New Oct. 14th, 1997, by Rich Thomaselli). However report Beckett said he went to Fisher after the 1989-90 season?

FISHERS Bizarre PRESS CONFERENCE:
1. Reporter Fred Girard was shouted down at Steve Fishers press conference when he tried to ask questions. “If you don’t shut up, you can get the hell out.” He was told.
2. (The Scene): UM brings a ton of fishers family, friends, and supporters in a scene reminiscent of the “We believe in Steve rally”. A divided wall was rolled away, revealing UM basketball players in a ballroom, and ‘on cue’ these supporters erupt into applause.
3. Tom Kelleher (Fisher Friend) say Fisher would make a statement would take no questions.
4. Girard tries to ask a question, supporters shout out, “No questions, shut up, throw him out.”
5. Fisher says “Can someone help me out?”
6. Kelleher runs down the aisle and confronts reporter Girard, “You want to stay or you want to go, you want to stay or you want to go! Make up your mind now. We established the rules so keep your mouth shut!”
7. Fast forward to November 8th, 2002. “I want to emphatically state that once again I had no knowledge of any involvement in the exchange of money from any of our players and Ed Martin.”
(Fisher). This statement despite what Beckett had said.
 
#44
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1. It being with the rollover accident 30-miles outside the radius of campus and refusing to say who the vehicle belonged to where 3-minor violations occurred.

It snowballed from there.

In May of 1999 the FBI did an investigation as well into improper payments to athletes and Ed Martin was found by the end of 2002 to have laundered money to players.

It was determined by the NCAA that "between 1992 and 1999 the 'athletics representative' provided recruiting inducements and extra benefits in the form of cash, clothing, jewelry, transportation, lodging, meals, and other benefits..."

1. "Student A and his family received a total of $280,000 in extra benefits between 1988 and 1993, however a significant portion came when the player became a representative of the university."

2. Student B took $160,000, Student C took $105,000, and Student D took $71,000.

The official finding by the NCAA on Ed Martin was:

1. He was actively involved with the University Of Michigan.
2. He plead guilty to one count of laundering money
3. He concealed money by giving it to student-athletes.
4. Ed Martin felt loyalty to the institution and one of his sons attended there.
5. He was more likely to stay involved with those that went to Michigan.
6. He made it clear to the athletes he wanted money given to be concealed.
7. He attended an in-house meeting with a UM coach and a recruit (Webber).
8. Martin attended home games and practices at UM and was a fixture at UM.
9. Martin appeared many times in the locker room with Perry Watson.
10. He became friends with UM's head coach Frieder.
11. Martin starting attending a recruits church and brought gifts to a players home and then large sums of cash.
12. Martin then provides gifts to head coach No.2 Fisher and his family. (Primarily food).
13. Martin spoke with the coaches wife and her family at basketball games.
14. Martin provided barbecue at the head coaches home upon the death of the coaches father.
15. Martin then appeared on complimentary ticket packages in 1991 during Student A (Webbers) freshman year.
16. Determined by handwriting analysis that Fisher provided comp tickets.
17. Martin then started driving Student Athlete B's grandmother to games and attended his games.
18. He had an in-house visit with recruit Traylor and Steve Fisher.
19. Fisher authorized rooms for Webber's dad and for Martin at the Final Four and Martin paid for those rooms. These were special rooms for families of basketball staff only. ALL coaches denied authorizing those rooms. A phone call just two days before which last four minutes between Fisher and Martin came to light.

Watch this---'IT WAS DETERMINED THAT SECURING ROOMS BY ED MARTIN FOR THE FATHER OF A STUDENT-ATHLETE ESTABLISHED HIM AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF MICHIGAN'S ATHLETIC INTERESTS UNDER NCAA LEGISLATION'.

20. Fisher was also aware that Martin was paying for Apartments and airline tickets to Puerto Rico and Fisher did not report these matters to his AD.
21. Martin then refused to cooperate with the NCAA.

The NCAA attached to him "Insider Status"

1. He was available on home recruiting visits.
2. He was allowed free access to the tunnel and locker room.
3. he was given preferred seating and comp tickets.
4. Martin maintained a close relationship with the coaches and brought gifts.
5. He was allowed to reserve and pay for rooms at the Final Four that were under coaching status and their families.

"Moreover, articles appearing the Detroit Free Press in 1985 and 1989 called into question as Martin providing benefits to student-athletes and red flag were raised then. However not only did Michigan tolerate him they embraced him. The coaches made no attempts toward compliance or to notify University Administrators."

..."This blatant disregard for NCAA rules has brought great shame to their University. This athletics representative demonstrates a profound and worrisome immaturity in the satisfaction they derive from close and continued contact and intermingling with the college and with students athletes and prospects. The amounts of money seen in this case undermines and cheapens intercollegiate athletics competition, compromises the principles of amateurism, and corrupts the ethics and maturation process of the young people involved. The involved student-athletes also share blame as they knowingly accepted large sums of illegally obtained cash in clear violation of their amateur status."

"Coach 2 (Fisher) included him (Martin) in the inner most circles of the program and the representative (Martin) was paying staggering amounts to student-athletes."

"The committee also notices he was treated with more than courtesy and respect as the University claims but with great deference extending benefits and privileges reserved for usually the most highly-regarded people within a University. This treatment only served to encourage illicit activities
by (Martin) relative to prospects and student-athletes".


love me some fab-5. They destroyed the UM basketball program. Love them. GO STATE
 
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#45
GatorBill said:
9. Reporter John Beckett (October `12th, 1999, Ann Arbor News) said he told Steve Fisher after the 1989-90 season that players were getting “golden handshakes” and boosters were “slipping players money after games” and Fisher did nothing. Said Becker, “Fisher was perfectly content ‘not’ knowing.”
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golden handshake>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> golden shower
 
#47
#47
Jalen Rose is a bright guy. I'm glad he participated. I understand why Webber didn't; but wish he would have.
 
#48
#48
kidbourbon said:
Jalen Rose is a bright guy. I'm glad he participated. I understand why Webber didn't; but wish he would have.
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Jailin' Rose is a doooosh. Did you hear him on Jim Rome last week promoting this show?

1) calling Grant Hill an Uncle Tom
2) claiming to have changed the face of NCAA Basketball. . . . . . . by wearing black socks and shoes??? Baggy Pants??? All Black starting 5?? Check with Georgetown about that one. They were the real trend setters. tHoyas were changing the face of basketball, and scaring the daylights out of the rest of the basketball world. AND opening doors for others that followed.
3) when he tried to bring Tom Izzo into the mix, Jim Rome hit the dump button. Callers get the dump button all the time, but that was the first time I have ever heard them dump a GUEST.
4) I almost forgot. He absolutely ADMITTED to taking money from Ed Martin but tried to justify it as a "pre-existing relationship" because he has known him since the NINTH GRADE!!. According the my NCAA rulebook, and all of the instructions I have had from different coaches and ADs, that is a major violation.

He is a doooosh. He was a great basketball player. but his ethics/morals need to be checked.
 
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TXVOL07 said:
You have a rulebook?
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I have been sent a hard copy of the book by one school, and have had 2 schools send me a link, with instructions to read certain sections and be careful not to step out of line, but to keep doing what I was doing.

In the late 80s I did some work for O$U. I followed different players around the state of michigan, taking stats, notes, putting it all in the fax machine (haha, long time ago) and moving on to the next kid on another night. I would see 2 or 3 games a week. oh, and did I mention it was chick basketball and volleyball. (Im not sure if I still have this hardcopy or not)

A few years ago I was teaching at a HS that had a national recruit. He was in my class. I sent a message to two schools that I went to, asking specific questions about what I could say and what I couldnt. They sent me a link, told me what sections to pay attention to.

When I moved to TN, my daughter was going to school with a couple girls that were on a few bigtime radars. She was friends with both players. They were both plan B players at the schools I went to. Once again, I sent an email, made sure I was staying within the rulebook.

so, yeah. I kinda sorta have a rulebook. (it is a free download. . . only 444 pages!!)

NCAA Publications - 2010-2011 NCAA Division I Manual
 
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