The Fab 5.

#76
#76
GatorBill said:
awwwwwwwww crap, I got that wrong. will go back and re-read. Im wrong. webber is a dooosh. I will take that anyday.
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You should also clarify that the wins he took part in were vacated by self-imposed Michigan penalties, not NCAA sanctions.

Currently under consideration at UM is the plan to re-instate the wins and re-hang the banners in 2013.
 
#77
#77
Was it Rose or Howard who claimed that Duke only recruited "uncle Toms"? If so Webber must have been an Uncle Tom, because he almost went to Duke
 
#78
#78
shamwowpearl said:
Was it Rose or Howard who claimed that Duke only recruited "uncle Toms"? If so Webber must have been an Uncle Tom, because he almost went to Duke
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#79
#79
therealUT said:
You should also clarify that the wins he took part in were vacated by self-imposed Michigan penalties, not NCAA sanctions.

Currently under consideration at UM is the plan to re-instate the wins and re-hang the banners in 2013.
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The self imposed penalties were in advance of what they were expecting to get from the NCAA. It is always best to try to penalize yourself first, in hopes that the NCAA thinks you are trying to fix the problem and doesnt come down on you harder.
EDIT: YES THE NCAA PUNISHED THE um BASKETBALL PROGRAM. Look it up, read on, whatever you want. um basketball was a corrupt, or MORE corrupt that any school has EVER been. period

everyone involved in this scandal refused to cooperate with the NCAA.

As far as "considering rehanging the banners" of course they are, but they cannot until they are allowed to acknowledge a certain prominent member of that team, namely Chris Webber. He cannot even show up on campus right now. Cannot go to a game. Cannot represent the university. pathetic.

from Wiki:

The University of Michigan basketball scandal or Ed Martin scandal was a six-year investigation of the relationship between the University of Michigan, its men's basketball teams and basketball team booster Ed Martin. As a result of the investigation, the Wolverine men's basketball program was punished for numerous National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) rules violations, principally involving payments booster Martin made to several players to launder money from an illegal gambling operation. It is one of the largest incidents involving payments to college athletes in American collegiate history. An initial investigation by the school was joined by the NCAA, Big Ten Conference, Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Internal Revenue Service (IRS), and the United States Department of Justice (DOJ).

The case began when the investigation of an automobile accident during Mateen Cleaves' 1996 recruiting trip revealed a curious relationship between Martin and the Wolverine basketball program dating back to the 1980s. Several Michigan basketball players were implicated over the next few years and by 1999 some were called before a federal grand jury. Four eventual professional basketball players—Chris Webber, Maurice Taylor, Robert Traylor and Louis Bullock—were discovered to have borrowed a total of $616,000 from Martin. During the investigation, Webber claimed not to have had any financial relationship with Martin, but eventually confessed to taking loans from Martin. He was both fined in the legal system and briefly suspended by the National Basketball Association after performing public service.

In 1997, coach Steve Fisher was fired for his involvement in violations relating to the scandal. By the fall of 2002, it was obvious that the four players were in fact guilty of taking money from Martin, and had thus compromised their amateur status. In response, Michigan placed the basketball program on two years' probation. It also withdrew from postseason consideration for the 2002–03 season, vacated all or part of five past seasons and removed the players' names and achievements from its record book. A few months later, the NCAA accepted these punishments, doubled both the probation period and the post-season ineligibility, penalized the school one scholarship for four seasons, and ordered Michigan to disassociate from the four guilty players until 2012 (Webber's ban extends another year ending in 2013). The punishment cost the 2002–2003 team its post-season eligibility, cost past teams the 1997 National Invitation Tournament and the 1998 Big Ten Tournament championships as well as appearances in the 1992 and 1993 NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Tournament Final Fours. It cost Chris Webber his All-American 1993 honors, Traylor his MVP awards in the 1997 NIT and 1998 Big Ten Tournament, as well as Bullock's standing as the school's third all-time leading scorer and all-time leader in free throws and the Big Ten's all-time leader in 3-point field goals. The additional year of post-season ineligibility was overturned on appeal.
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also, head to the wiki page to get a full account. Much more accurate than my memory.

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#81
#81
GatorBill said:
webber traveled not once, but TWICE before the TO call. Many have speculated that he was trying to throw the game because his boy Ed Martin was set to win a SHEEET ton of money if um lost.
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He wasn't trying to throw anything, and Michigan wouldn't have won regardless. They were down two at the time, the clock was running down, and UNC had two fouls left to give. Dean Smith has said several times that he fully intended to use them.

They wouldn't have gotten anything off but a prayer.

I don't care at all for the Tar Heels, but the better team won that game.
 
#82
#82
jsc1973 said:
They wouldn't have gotten anything off but a prayer.

I don't care at all for the Tar Heels, but the better team won that game.
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you will not get any argument from me about either of these points.

HOWEVER, knowing how closely webber was connected to Ed Martin, and knowing that Ed Martin had HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of dollars riding on this game (wrapped up in his gambling ring at the auto plant) I fully suspect that there was pressure on chris webber to lose this game. Only cwebber knows for sure, but the facts sure dont look good.
 
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