The Good and The Bad (Xavier edition)

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The Good: Pretty short list honestly.
-McRae, Barton, & Richardson were a combined 8-15 from the 3-point line (53%), and 16-31 overall (52%).
-As bad as we shot in the first half, we were ultra-efficient in the second half (59% overall, 70% from three).
-For the game, we shot 42% from the field (and 42% from three).
-Barton looked very comfortable at PG. He shot well, played GREAT on-ball defense, and looked as if he could play effectively for 30 mpg for us.

The Bad:
-Stokes and Maymon were uncharacteristically inefficient shooting in the paint (5-14 combined, 36%). That can't happen.
-We shot 37% from the foul line. That is a flat-out embarrassment. James Naismith is turning over in his grave.
-We were outrebounded 40-34. If not for our abysmal FT performance, this would be my biggest complaint. Rebounding is about effort and should be one of our team strengths.
-Interior defense was awful on the whole. Too many offensive rebounds, and Stokes was abused by an out-of-shape dude rockin a pair of sport-specs.
-Along those same lines, the new foul rules are bordering on making guys like Stokes and Maymon a thing of the past. The NCAA is trying to make basketball a purely finesse sport with these rules and it will very much negatively affect the player who relies on strength and power to be effective (Stokes and Maymon). They, and Coach Martin, must adjust, or we are in a world of hurt.
-McRae has to be aggressive through the entire game. He can't take 15 minutes off at a time. Xavier made good halftime adjustments to erase him for much of the second half.
-CCM needs to learn to light a fire under his boys. They didn't look like a team that came to compete, and rather like a team that simply thought they'd roll the ball out there and winning would take care of itself. He kills momentum with poor substitution patterns and unexplainable timeouts. We score three quick buckets on a couple ocassions, and then get away from what was working and go right back to what wasn't. This was one of his worst coaching performances to date.
-Armani Moore played 8 minutes, and Quinton Chievous played 13 minutes. Nuff said. I know he may be more physical, but he is such a liability. Armani played great in his time.

All in all, a game to forget. Xavier is a pretty decent team, and one I feel will be on the brink of making the tourney come March if they can ride Semaj Christon. That kid can flat-out play.

First game, on the road against a quality opponent; I'm not going to lose my mind over losing this one, even if it is one we should have won. The Chicken Little mentality of some of our fanbase based on the conclusions they draw from one game is ridiculous. If we are hovering at 7-6 come January for our first conference game, then it's time to start worrying because we likely lost to someone we had no business losing to, and haven't beaten anyone of note. For now though, I'm not willing to piss away a season based on the first game. JMO.
 
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I don't understand calling fouls that severly alter the game, when if not called they would have no bearing on the game whatsoever.

We did very little right in this game. Jordy was very good, however he had a disappearing act for a long stretch. He can't do that and the other guys need to step up.

They will get it worked out. I'm not near as bummed out as I was during the game. We have talent, its time to quit talking about it though, and show it for a change.

P.S. Free Armani Moore
 
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Most disappointed I've been about our Vols in a long time..... Thought this team would have a lot of pieces to the puzzle that are needed to win 25 games and actually make some noise in the post season. It's not going to happen IMO.

We are identical to last season.... Coach Martin has to be willing to play some different styles of basketball.

1. We are way to predictable on defense--When a future "rec league" legend is dominating you in the post, below average guards are able to pass/penetrate on us at will and then you give up numerous offensive rebounds to a non-athletic team the future is less than bright!

2. What are we trying to do on offense? We stand around the arc--No movement and zero penetration equates to taking bad shots late in the shot clock. We have to add some more ball screen action to free up our guards to penetrate and allow our post some room to get deeper position.

Tons of work that I thought would have been done in the summer and preseason practice......

Go Vols!
 
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Most disappointed I've been about our Vols in a long time..... Thought this team would have a lot of pieces to the puzzle that are needed to win 25 games and actually make some noise in the post season. It's not going to happen IMO.

We are identical to last season.... Coach Martin has to be willing to play some different styles of basketball.

1. We are way to predictable on defense--When a future "rec league" legend is dominating you in the post, below average guards are able to pass/penetrate on us at will and then you give up numerous offensive rebounds to a non-athletic team the future is less than bright!




2. What are we trying to do on offense? We stand around the arc--No movement and zero penetration equates to taking bad shots late in the shot clock. We have to add some more ball screen action to free up our guards to penetrate and allow our post some room to get deeper position.

Tons of work that I thought would have been done in the summer and preseason practice......

Go Vols!

We are probably going to get a replay of past teams, bound for the NIT and a 1st round loss!

Unbelievable that we have no damn offense at all in 1st half....what is up with that. CM must go...bring back the Pearl!
 
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We are probably going to get a replay of past teams, bound for the NIT and a 1st round loss!

Unbelievable that we have no damn offense at all in 1st half....what is up with that. CM must go...bring back the Pearl!
Yeah pearls offense his last couple of years was even worse to watch. Players running around until 10 seconds left on the shot clock and then jack up a 3.

PS: don't act like Pearl never lost a road game
 
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Most disappointed I've been about our Vols in a long time..... Thought this team would have a lot of pieces to the puzzle that are needed to win 25 games and actually make some noise in the post season. It's not going to happen IMO.

We are identical to last season.... Coach Martin has to be willing to play some different styles of basketball.

1. We are way to predictable on defense--When a future "rec league" legend is dominating you in the post, below average guards are able to pass/penetrate on us at will and then you give up numerous offensive rebounds to a non-athletic team the future is less than bright!

2. What are we trying to do on offense? We stand around the arc--No movement and zero penetration equates to taking bad shots late in the shot clock. We have to add some more ball screen action to free up our guards to penetrate and allow our post some room to get deeper position.

Tons of work that I thought would have been done in the summer and preseason practice......

Go Vols!

I can't watch this team! No matter how talented the players we just look lost on offense. I'm ready for BP to come back.
 
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Pearl is and was much better than Martin, not even close. Martin had the players this year and he can prove his worth but that was not a very good start.
 
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Unless they come out in the next couple games looking like a brand new team, no way we do anything in the B4A
 
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I'm just curious why we launched so many threes last night. Most of the threes didn't even look like set plays or something you'd see game planned in the half court...they were mostly forced.
 
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Omg, shut up with the Pearl. I swear to God I'm thinking some of you people have Pearls picture tucked away in your Hustler magazine to do your business to.

Pearl is gone, and never coming back. I hate this fan base, it's the most retarded dumb ass fan base in the country
 
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Omg, shut up with the Pearl. I swear to God I'm thinking some of you people have Pearls picture tucked away in your Hustler magazine to do your business to.

Pearl is gone, and never coming back. I hate this fan base, it's the most retarded dumb ass fan base in the country

How quickly people forget that our half court offense under pearl was not the prettiest thing, too. Especially after Lofton and smith left. I still remember that god awful flex we would run. Anyways, not trying to hijack a thread. Just an interesting tidbit.
 
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How quickly people forget that our half court offense under pearl was not the prettiest thing, too. Especially after Lofton and smith left. I still remember that god awful flex we would run. Anyways, not trying to hijack a thread. Just an interesting tidbit.

Pearl's half court sets were painful to watch. We lived and died by scoring on runouts. Our half court offense lived and died by our three point shooting.
 
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And that no one give Martin credit for beating the living **** out of UK last year, but we go down by 4 in our first game, now it's fahr Martin hahr Pearl.
 
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Just post my thoughts here, very similar to Chris'

I posted last week, Martin is 20-3 when we have <12 turnovers and 20-2 we we shoot 40%> from three. We did both of those things last night and still lost, that's good and bad. Great we apparently have guards that can shoot, but bad that we still lost.

The free throws....nothing more needs to be said. Against a bad team you can get away with 7-19, not against a quality team like Xavier.

Our defense was ver poor, they shot way too good from the field, way too many easy looks. The defensive gameplan was bad, no other way around it.

Stokes is gonna have to be on the floor, Maymon isn't a 30 rebound guy anymore, for us to outrebound teams stokes has to be out there.

Speaking of Maymon, boy did he struggle. Not sure if it's rust or this is all he's gonna be able to give, but at times he really hurt us more than helped last night.

The freshman need to step up...when McRae goes out and Hubbs is in, we need him to look to score. Thompson won't see too many minutes, same for AJ, but we need Hubbs to be a 8ppg kinda guy.




Overall: very disappointing start to the season. I will be paying very close attention to the next 3 games as I feel the adjustments are clear that need to be made, they just indeed have to be made. I think Martin has a better idea now what he is working with, and will also have to work with Jarnell about staying out of FT. There's no reason to freak out, obviously a lot of time left, but if we don't go 5-1 over our next 6 games I will be very disappointed.
 
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And that no one give Martin credit for beating the living **** out of UK last year, but we go down by 4 in our first game, now it's fahr Martin hahr Pearl.

Alot of it has to do with the fact that most think this team has the potential to be the best team ever in Tenn history and they looked absolutely pitiful last night. It looked like the exact same team we saw last yr.
 
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Xavier was favored by 2.5 and won by 4. We played about as bad as we can play and almost won. I still have a tremendous amount of hope for this season. Probably should have opened with a cupcake before playing Xavier. The first-game jitters took a while to be shaken out. Impressed by what I saw from the newbies.
 
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this is dumb.
team will be fine...
did not play well in first road game..
happens.
good grief.
this is 20+ win team and tourney team
I mean our 2 bigs sucked and we still were in game.
 
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Does anyone the +/- from last night? Seems like we made a run when Maymon was on the bench. He struggled on defense.
 
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Does anyone the +/- from last night? Seems like we made a run when Maymon was on the bench. He struggled on defense.

It wasn't just on defense he struggled. He was frustrated early and often by his own play, the refs, and the apparent second coming of Big Country Bryant Reeves.
 
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...

The freshman need to step up...when McRae goes out and Hubbs is in, we need him to look to score. Thompson won't see too many minutes, same for AJ, but we need Hubbs to be a 8ppg kinda guy.

...

Not disagreeing, but I was very happy with Thompson (except for the horrendous stiff-legged free throws) and wanted more minutes from him. Barton played well, but looked fatigued at the end. (No reason we shouldn't see them out there together from time to time.) Hubbs didn't get in the flow, but, to be fair, there was no flow to get into.
 
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Pearl's half court sets were painful to watch. We lived and died by scoring on runouts. Our half court offense lived and died by our three point shooting.

Absolutely true. His game was pressure, pressure, pressure, but when he quit that and tried to make us into a half-court team it was extremely ugly.
 
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The Good: Pretty short list honestly.
-McRae, Barton, & Richardson were a combined 8-15 from the 3-point line (53%), and 16-31 overall (52%).
-As bad as we shot in the first half, we were ultra-efficient in the second half (59% overall, 70% from three).
-For the game, we shot 42% from the field (and 42% from three).
-Barton looked very comfortable at PG. He shot well, played GREAT on-ball defense, and looked as if he could play effectively for 30 mpg for us.

The Bad:
-Stokes and Maymon were uncharacteristically inefficient shooting in the paint (5-14 combined, 36%). That can't happen.
-We shot 37% from the foul line. That is a flat-out embarrassment. James Naismith is turning over in his grave.
-We were outrebounded 40-34. If not for our abysmal FT performance, this would be my biggest complaint. Rebounding is about effort and should be one of our team strengths.
-Interior defense was awful on the whole. Too many offensive rebounds, and Stokes was abused by an out-of-shape dude rockin a pair of sport-specs.
-Along those same lines, the new foul rules are bordering on making guys like Stokes and Maymon a thing of the past. The NCAA is trying to make basketball a purely finesse sport with these rules and it will very much negatively affect the player who relies on strength and power to be effective (Stokes and Maymon). They, and Coach Martin, must adjust, or we are in a world of hurt.
-McRae has to be aggressive through the entire game. He can't take 15 minutes off at a time. Xavier made good halftime adjustments to erase him for much of the second half.
-CCM needs to learn to light a fire under his boys. They didn't look like a team that came to compete, and rather like a team that simply thought they'd roll the ball out there and winning would take care of itself. He kills momentum with poor substitution patterns and unexplainable timeouts. We score three quick buckets on a couple ocassions, and then get away from what was working and go right back to what wasn't. This was one of his worst coaching performances to date.
-Armani Moore played 8 minutes, and Quinton Chievous played 13 minutes. Nuff said. I know he may be more physical, but he is such a liability. Armani played great in his time.

All in all, a game to forget. Xavier is a pretty decent team, and one I feel will be on the brink of making the tourney come March if they can ride Semaj Christon. That kid can flat-out play.

First game, on the road against a quality opponent; I'm not going to lose my mind over losing this one, even if it is one we should have won. The Chicken Little mentality of some of our fanbase based on the conclusions they draw from one game is ridiculous. If we are hovering at 7-6 come January for our first conference game, then it's time to start worrying because we likely lost to someone we had no business losing to, and haven't beaten anyone of note. For now though, I'm not willing to piss away a season based on the first game. JMO.
Good post!
 

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