The Good and The Bad (Xavier edition)

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VolsByNature said:
Omg, shut up with the Pearl. I swear to God I'm thinking some of you people have Pearls picture tucked away in your Hustler magazine to do your business to.

Pearl is gone, and never coming back. I hate this fan base, it's the most retarded dumb ass fan base in the country
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I couldn't agree more! They need to Google (Bruce Pearl Drama) & read some of his facts.
 
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My take is that we aren't far off. We started a true freshman at point on the road and Barton a transfer played well! It will be a matter of molding the old with the new and hope that Maymon and Stokes don't let the ticky tack fouls bother them and go ahead and play. I do think we miss Golden badly with his experience with this team.
 
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I saw the same team as last year with a few different names on their back..
 
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I think maybe we need to cut Maymon a little slack. It is gonna take him a few games to knock off the rust of setting out a year and get back into real basketball shape. I also think he was the victim of a few pitiful calls last night too, especially that charging call under the basket.

I thought Barton looked really good. I am also encouraged by DT. Love to see a freshman pop out and make steals like that. He has got to learn to shoot free throws though.
 
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Tumbleweedvol said:
My take is that we aren't far off. We started a true freshman at point on the road and Barton a transfer played well! It will be a matter of molding the old with the new and hope that Maymon and Stokes don't let the ticky tack fouls bother them and go ahead and play.I do think we miss Golden badly with his experience with this team.
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No we won't. Barton is an upgrade.
 
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VolsByNature said:
Omg, shut up with the Pearl. I swear to God I'm thinking some of you people have Pearls picture tucked away in your Hustler magazine to do your business to.

Pearl is gone, and never coming back. I hate this fan base, it's the most retarded dumb ass fan base in the country
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You should know your part of this fan base aren't you?
 
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imbubbaspitcup said:
I couldn't agree more! They need to Google (Bruce Pearl Drama) & read some of his facts.
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Lets see Bruce Pearl was the HC for six seasons, six NCAA tourney appearances, two Sweet Sixteen, and a elite eight. What has Martin done it two seasons? Two NIT bids and some really underachieving play along the way. That's why folks love BP, he set the standard for UT Basketball!
 
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gunner said:
Lets see Bruce Pearl was the HC for six seasons, six NCAA tourney appearances, two Sweet Sixteen, and a elite eight. What has Martin done it two seasons? Two NIT bids and some really underachieving play along the way. That's why folks love BP, he set the standard for UT Basketball!
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You'll get no argument that he set the standard for UT basketball, but you can't in good conscience ignore the fact that he is also responsible for the hole Martin was forced to dig his way out of in year one.

It's not fair to highlight the good Pearl did, and ignore his faults (and vice-versa).
 
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cncchris33 said:
You'll get no argument that he set the standard for UT basketball, but you can't in good conscience ignore the fact that he is also responsible for the hole Martin was forced to dig his way out of in year one.

It's not fair to highlight the good Pearl did, and ignore his faults (and vice-versa).
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Pearl left the program in about the same shape that he found it based on talent, but there is no doubt in my mind that if he had been the coach the last two seasons, the Vols would have won more games, and been more competitive in most of their losses. The result, Pearl would have made the NCAA tourney the last two seasons.
 
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gunner said:
Pearl left the program in about the same shape that he found it based on talent, but there is no doubt in my mind that if he had been the coach the last two seasons, the Vols would have won more games, and been more competitive in most of their losses. The result, Pearl would have made the NCAA tourney the last two seasons.
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You don't really believe that do you? Six scholarship players and a former walk on. Cam Tatum was the leading returning scorer. Not to mention Bruce left with the NCAA investigation cloud hanging over the program and left Martin a few weeks to sign 5 bodies so we could hold a legitimate practice.
 
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clay1551 said:
Still baffled how the guy with the goggles had a hay day on the block last night
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besides being big, he could finish with both hands and knew how to use his body. He also has more basketball iq than our coaches and players seemed to show as he understood spacing and where cutters would be and anticipated them being there.
We don't anticipate anything because nobody in our offense cuts to the basket. Nobody. It's either a pull up j or forcing a shot down low. We have cutters in mcrae, moore, jrich, hubbs, etc and run no semblance of an offense that allows for spacing and slashers to have aggressive cuts to the basket.
 
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gunner said:
Pearl left the program in about the same shape that he found it based on talent, but there is no doubt in my mind that if he had been the coach the last two seasons, the Vols would have won more games, and been more competitive in most of their losses. The result, Pearl would have made the NCAA tourney the last two seasons.
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If you really believe your first sentence, then we'll get nowhere, and I'll simply say I disagree.

Secondly, the last game Pearl coached was a 30-point blowout in the to Michigan, so if that's being more competitive in losses, then no thanks.

Your assertion that Pearl would have done a better job coaching the team the past two years is completely subjective and unable to be proven. What we DO know, is he forfeited that opportunity by lying to the NCAA, so it's a moot point.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
besides being big, he could finish with both hands and knew how to use his body. He also has more basketball iq than our coaches and players seemed to show as he understood spacing and where cutters would be and anticipated them being there.
We don't anticipate anything because nobody in our offense cuts to the basket. Nobody. It's either a pull up j or forcing a shot down low. We have cutters in mcrae, moore, jrich, hubbs, etc and run no semblance of an offense that allows for spacing and slashers to have aggressive cuts to the basket.
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The offense really needs to be tweaked to allow for guys to make more plays without the ball in their hand from the start. We need better and more active ball movement in general.

Xavier understood this, and their players were constantly moving, and as a result, so were we defensively. We didn't make Xavier (or any other team we've faced in 2+ seasons now) move defensively. The only movement was the guy guarding whoever had the ball, and the guy chasing McRae.

Stainbrook, like you said, was smart, coordinated, and knew how to use his body. He also knew when to look for help, and his help made themselves available. Something we as fans, have longed to see from our guys, but we only catch it in glimpses. Stokes and Maymon are both actually very good passers, but too often there is no one cutting to the basket to pass to.
 
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People forget the Pearl offense looked lost a lot, too, especially in his last 2 years when he slowed it down.
 
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cncchris33 said:
If you really believe your first sentence, then we'll get nowhere, and I'll simply say I disagree.

Secondly, the last game Pearl coached was a 30-point blowout in the to Michigan, so if that's being more competitive in losses, then no thanks.

Your assertion that Pearl would have done a better job coaching the team the past two years is completely subjective and unable to be proven. What we DO know, is he forfeited that opportunity by lying to the NCAA, so it's a moot point.
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It seems like most always want to bring up Pearls last season when he was being bashed, suspended, and pretty much fired before his last game. Sad thing is that it was still more exciting basketball than we have experienced the last 2 yrs and a game.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Your assertion that Pearl would have done a better job coaching the team the past two years is completely subjective and unable to be proven. What we DO know, is he forfeited that opportunity by lying to the NCAA, so it's a moot point.
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I don't understand why people don't realize this. What can you reasonably say about an overwhelmingly winning coach that gets fired from his most successful gig?
 
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volbeast33 said:
It seems like most always want to bring up Pearls last season when he was being bashed, suspended, and pretty much fired before his last game. Sad thing is that it was still more exciting basketball than we have experienced the last 2 yrs and a game.
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I only bring it up as it is relevant to OP saying Cuonzo hasn't even been competitive in his losses. You don't have to go back too far in Pearl's tenure to find proof of that for him too at certain points. All coaches have mow moments. My comment was merely a dramatic example to combat a dramatic, off-base point by the OP.

Martin has been competitive, even in defeat, and Pearl's last game as coach was his worst, for the reasons you noted.

To be clear, I'm not anti-Pearl. I was one of his biggest supporters, and was genuinely sad to see him go. I'm just choosing to support Martin now. Too many people think it is an "either/or" decision to make, and I don't understand why. I'm critical of Martin in his shortcomings as well.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I only bring it up as it is relevant to OP saying Cuonzo hasn't even been competitive in his losses. You don't have to go back too far in Pearl's tenure to find proof of that for him too. My comment was merely a dramatic example to combat a dramatic, off-base point by the OP.

Martin has been competitive, even in defeat, and Pearl's last game as coach was his worst, for the reasons you noted.

To be clear, I'm not anti-Pearl. I was one of his biggest supporters, and was genuinely sad to see him go. I'm just choosing to support Martin now. Too many people think it is an "either/or" decision to make, and I don't understand why. I'm critical of Martin in his shortcomings as well.
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I hope Martin succeeds too, although I am really disappointed in the way the team looked the other night. It is my opinion that he is going to be another Don Devoe.....mediocre teams(doing just enough to keep his job) and mediocre recruiting. I do think we will make the tourney this yr and the NIT the next couple yrs before making the tourney again....I would rather be horrible than endure that.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I hope Martin succeeds too, although I am really disappointed in the way the team looked the other night. It is my opinion that he is going to be another Don Devoe.....mediocre teams(doing just enough to keep his job) and mediocre recruiting. I do think we will make the tourney this yr and the NIT the next couple yrs before making the tourney again....I would rather be horrible than endure that.
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Of course you're disappointed. Everyone is, and I don't think I've seen anyone excuse the performance at Xavier, other than to try and talk the drama queens off of the ledge by keeping it in perspective (that it was one game in a 31 game season). I realize we missed an opportunity there, but it's no reason for the panic we've witnessed the last 48 hours.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I hope Martin succeeds too, although I am really disappointed in the way the team looked the other night. It is my opinion that he is going to be another Don Devoe.....mediocre teams(doing just enough to keep his job) and mediocre recruiting. I do think we will make the tourney this yr and the NIT the next couple yrs before making the tourney again....I would rather be horrible than endure that.
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That is a legit concern. I will be very very torn if we look like an NIT team next year. On one hand, there will obviously be a lot of talent leaving after this season, so I can't expect us to be crazy good or anything next season. On the other, if the talent drop off is going to affect us so negatively that we miss the tourney, it's hard to have faith in Martin.

Next season has the potential to provide drastically polar best case/worst case scenarios in terms of results. I've been grumpy today, so I will go ahead and say I will not be on board with Martin if we miss the tourney next season. Quite obviously, I will be done with him if we miss it this season, but I'm not expecting that.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
On the other, if the talent drop off is going to affect us so negatively that we miss the tourney, it's hard to have faith in Martin.
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Next year is the first year that Martin will be solely responsible for everyone on the roster. What happens with that team is entirely on him. He likely will be relying on a lot of help from his freshman class, so it might be tough sledding. He needs to land a difference-maker in the 2015 class, or hope one of his '14 guys is better than advertised.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Next year is the first year that Martin will be solely responsible for everyone on the roster. What happens with that team is entirely on him. He likely will be relying on a lot of help from his freshman class, so it might be tough sledding. He needs to land a difference-maker in the 2015 class, or hope one of his '14 guys is better than advertised.
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Yes very true. That makes this season all the more important to get his players to grow. One thing is for sure, if Martin makes it to next season, we will REALLY see how good or bad of a coach he is in many many ways.
 
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