The Good and The Bad (Xavier edition)

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#51
Chris4Vols22 said:
Yes very true. That makes this season all the more important to get his players to grow. One thing is for sure, if Martin makes it to next season, we will REALLY see how good or bad of a coach he is in many many ways.
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I agree with all of this. The bar has been set, and it has been shown that a good coach can consistently put UT in the tournament year after year. If all CCM can do is build up to a tournament team every 2-3 years, that's not good enough.
 
#52
#52
cncchris33 said:
If you really believe your first sentence, then we'll get nowhere, and I'll simply say I disagree.

Secondly, the last game Pearl coached was a 30-point blowout in the to Michigan, so if that's being more competitive in losses, then no thanks.

Your assertion that Pearl would have done a better job coaching the team the past two years is completely subjective and unable to be proven. What we DO know, is he forfeited that opportunity by lying to the NCAA, so it's a moot point.
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I don't know if you recall or not but most of the team that Pearl inherited were not very good players the most talented player on the team was Chris Lofton, and they had no inside presence at all, but BP being the genius that he is took that bunch of players and molded them into a pressing, trapping, uptempo team that won 22 games in the regular season.

If you doubt that BP is a coaching genius and that UT would have made the tourney the last two seasons, then you must be forgetting about the bunch of misfits and walkons that he used to beat # 1 Kansas with a few years back in TBA.

BP is the man regardless of what happen with the NCAA he should still be the coach at UT, and if Martin doesn't get his **** together soon, BP will be the coach again on Rocky Top.
 
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gunner said:
I don't know if you recall or not but most of the team that Pearl inherited were not very good players the most talented player on the team was Chris Lofton, and they had no inside presence at all, but BP being the genius that he is took that bunch of players and molded them into a pressing, trapping, uptempo team that won 22 games in the regular season.

If you doubt that BP is a coaching genius and that UT would have made the tourney the last two seasons, then you must be forgetting about the bunch of misfits and walkons that he used to be the # 1 Kansas with a few years back in TBA.

BP is the man regardless of what happen with the NCAA he should still be the coach at UT, and if Martin doesn't get his **** together soon, BP will be the coach again on Rocky Top.
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Also inherited...
Jujuan smith
CJ Watson
 
#55
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gunner said:
I don't know if you recall or not but most of the team that Pearl inherited were not very good players the most talented player on the team was Chris Lofton, and they had no inside presence at all, but BP being the genius that he is took that bunch of players and molded them into a pressing, trapping, uptempo team that won 22 games in the regular season.

If you doubt that BP is a coaching genius and that UT would have made the tourney the last two seasons, then you must be forgetting about the bunch of misfits and walkons that he used to be the # 1 Kansas with a few years back in TBA.

BP is the man regardless of what happen with the NCAA he should still be the coach at UT, and if Martin doesn't get his **** together soon, BP will be the coach again on Rocky Top.
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Yeah...okay. If you say so.
 
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gunner said:
Both guards, no inside players, y'all keep making my point.
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Right. I'm not saying pearl inherited a great team. I'm saying he inherited way more than Martin. Although, one if the greatest shooters of all time, an nba point guard and an undervalued Jujuan Smith is nothing to sneeze at.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Right. I'm not saying pearl inherited a great team. I'm saying he inherited way more than Martin. Although, one if the greatest shooters of all time, an nba point guard and an undervalued Jujuan Smith is nothing to sneeze at.
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Smith was a walk-on, and there was a reason UT started four guards all season, we had no inside players. The team that Pearl inherited won 14 games the prior season. Martin inherited a team coming off a NCAA Tourney Bid. Which you rather have?
 
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gunner said:
Smith was a walk-on, and there was a reason UT started four guards all season, we had no inside players. The team that Pearl inherited won 14 games the prior season. Martin inherited a team coming off a NCAA Tourney Bid. Which you rather have?
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Pearl's.

Martin inherited 6 scholarship players and skylar McBee (former walk on).

I know Jujuan was a walk on at one point but he was awesome none the less.

So yeah, that team went to the tourney the year prior but it lost everyone. I think Cam was the only returning starter.

So which team/situation would you want?

Pearls first roster including Chris Lofton, CJ Watson and Jujuan or Martin's with 7 players on scholarship, none of which showed much promise to that point and only a few weeks to add bodies with the NCAA investigation ruling still pending?
 
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gunner said:
Smith was a walk-on, and there was a reason UT started four guards all season, we had no inside players. The team that Pearl inherited won 14 games the prior season. Martin inherited a team coming off a NCAA Tourney Bid. Which you rather have?
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Your point of view is based merely on the surface of the situation.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Your point of view is based merely on the surface of the situation.
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Chris- Our starting lineup at the first of the year was 5 four stars. The first time in Tennessee history we had that high of ranking in a group of players. Call it as you see it, but, call it fair.
 
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knowthevols said:
Chris- Our starting lineup at the first of the year was 5 four stars. The first time in Tennessee history we had that high of ranking in a group of players. Call it as you see it, but, call it fair.
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Golden, Maymon, Hall, Tatum, and McRae were the starters.

McRae wasn't a full-time starter and was benched near midseason. You still are referring to Hall and Tatum as 4* players, which we both know, they weren't of that caliber as it turns out.

Rankings and stars mean nothing if their play doesn't match on the court.

In hindsight, you pick the lineup you'd rather start; Golden, McRae, Tatum, Maymon, and Hall, or Watson, Lofton, Smith, Patterson, and Wingate.

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cncchris33 said:
Golden, Maymon, Hall, Tatum, and McRae were the starters.

McRae wasn't a full-time starter and was benched near midseason. You still are referring to Hall and Tatum as 4* players, which we both know, they weren't of that caliber as it turns out.

Rankings and stars mean nothing if their play doesn't match on the court.

In hindsight, you pick the lineup you'd rather start; Golden, McRae, Tatum, Maymon, and Hall, or Watson, Lofton, Smith, Patterson, and Wingate.

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Hindsight is always 20/20. When a coach goes into a new school he doesn't get to pick his players left on the roster. All I said was that when he started the season their were 5 four stars starting. Ten years from now if we haven't made the tourney people will still be making excuses and most know why.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Golden, Maymon, Hall, Tatum, and McRae were the starters.

McRae wasn't a full-time starter and was benched near midseason. You still are referring to Hall and Tatum as 4* players, which we both know, they weren't of that caliber as it turns out.

Rankings and stars mean nothing if their play doesn't match on the court.

In hindsight, you pick the lineup you'd rather start; Golden, McRae, Tatum, Maymon, and Hall, or Watson, Lofton, Smith, Patterson, and Wingate.

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Depends on who is coaching each group lol
 
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knowthevols said:
Hindsight is always 20/20. When a coach goes into a new school he doesn't get to pick his players left on the roster. All I said was that when he started the season their were 5 four stars starting. Ten years from now if we haven't made the tourney people will still be making excuses and most know why.
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I'm not making an excuse for him now, let alone 10 years from now. It's really simple. Which roster would you rather have knowing what we know about all the relevant players now?

You're trying to make this a different argument. I'm simply debunking the theory that Pearl performed some parting of the Red Sea miracle, and I say that as a big fan of Pearl. As it turned out, he inherited a pretty decent team that Buzz couldn't coach. Pearl, as a good coach and better motivator, coached them well and made them winners, but they weren't devoid of talent as it turned out.

What most people don't realize, is Martin took over a team that lost four starters and only had six scholarship players, and finished with an identical record to Pearl in his final year (19-15).
 
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cncchris33 said:
Fair enough. If you were coaching, which group would you pick?
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Today I would choose the lofton group, before both of their first seasons, I would have chose the McRae group especially if I knew we would be getting stokes added mid season.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Which tells you all you need to know about stars and rankings...they're overrated.
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No it does not.....rankings are very important but not the end all.

Would u take dukes starting five the past twenty yrs or tennessees lol
 
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volbeast33 said:
No it does not.....rankings are very important but not the end all.

Would u take dukes starting five the past twenty yrs or tennessees lol
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Your first statement makes my point. They're overrated because they aren't the end all.

Of course I'd take Duke's roster. I don't recall Duke recruiting Kenny Hall, Cameron Tatum, or Renaldo Woolridge though, so it doesn't seem relevant. Duke recruits talent, not stars and rankings.
 
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