The GOP's last chance

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JayVols said:
Gulp, I kinda agree with lg on the last part. From what I have heard, the Bush tax cuts would only be eliminated for 'the wealthy'. I know that will fire off a shiz storm of criticism, but I don't have a problem with that, if I am being honest.
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the wall street journal just had an article that said you couldn't reduce the deficit significantly without raising the maximum tax rate to 75% if you don't raise taxes for those under $250k. the middle class have to pay here too. they are getting off too easy.
 
#27
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utvolpj said:
or cut spending and use that money while letting the people keep what they earn. Of course that requires weaning too many people off the gov't and won't happen



sure it does
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Think the world of you pj and I mean no disrespect at all, but I think you are seeing this through partisan glasses.

I think they all are acting like children. Just a question, would you feel the same if Obama had quit after a session rather than walk out in the middle? My point is, both groups have pretty much said that if they don't get it exactly their way, they are taking their ball and going home. The method is different but the result is the same.
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droski said:
the wall street journal just had an article that said you couldn't reduce the deficit significantly without raising the maximum tax rate to 75% if you don't raise taxes for those under $250k. the middle class have to pay here too. they are getting off too easy.
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We come from 2 different worlds, droski, and probably will never agree on this issue. That's not a problem with me, though. I respect your view. Just don't agree with it.
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I agree with Droski. Let's see the cuts first and make sure this isn't over the next decade.
 
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JayVols said:
We come from 2 different worlds, droski, and probably will never agree on this issue. That's not a problem with me, though. I respect your view. Just don't agree with it.
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i don't understand this belief that 10% of the country has to pay for everyone else. it's like the kid who still takes money from his parents after college graduation because "they can afford it."
 
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JayVols said:
Think the world of you pj and I mean no disrespect at all, but I think you are seeing this through partisan glasses.

I think they all are acting like children. Just a question, would you feel the same if Obama had quit after a session rather than walk out in the middle? My point is, both groups have pretty much said that if they don't get it exactly their way, they are taking their ball and going home. The method is different but the result is the same.
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if wanting lower taxes and less gov't spending is partisan then I'm guilty. It may seem that way since Obama goes against both but it's not.

and yes I would feel different about him. He's constantly shown that when put in a corner he does not react well. Kinda like how he won't take unscripted questions
 
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utvolpj said:
if wanting lower taxes and less gov't spending is partisan then I'm guilty. It may seem that way since Obama goes against both but it's not.

and yes I would feel different about him. He's constantly shown that when put in a corner he does not react well. Kinda like how he won't take unscripted questions
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Fair enough.
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I hear a bunch of "the cuts are over 30 years", "he took all meaningful cuts off the table"...how do you guys know all this?

All I have heard is trillions in cuts have been proposed, along with elimination of tax loopholes and higher rates for the wealthy.

Where can I read about all these details everybody seems to spout off as fact?
 
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JayVols said:
I see your point, but it's our debts.
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then why force the "wealthy" to pay for it if it's "our" debt?

the ones using it most will actually pay the least to get it down
 
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droski said:
i don't understand this belief that 10% of the country has to pay for everyone else. it's like the kid who still takes money from his parents after college graduation because "they can afford it."
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They control the vast majority of the wealth. That is the simple truth. Politically, this is going to lead to a progressive tax system. It is just the way it is.

...in before childish class warfare bullshiz nonsense charges are leveled against me.
 
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droski said:
i don't understand this belief that 10% of the country has to pay for everyone else. it's like the kid who still takes money from his parents after college graduation because "they can afford it."
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They shouldn't per se. I personally would like to see a flat tax with no exemptions/loopholes for anyone. But, we have what we have atm. If we are truly serious reducing the debt, I feel we should cut and increase revenue to specifically pay debt.
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utvolpj said:
so in sports if a player walks off the field during the game while one quits after the season they are the same thing?
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Three different articles from three different news services state that Obama was already wrapping the meeting up and Cantor wanted to continue with the meeting; the difference in the articles is the way each of the authors represent this "walk out".

In my opinion, he is holding the meeting at the White House, it is his meeting, he is trying to end it, and Cantor is being a clown; I have no problem with Obama getting frustrated and storming off. I've done the same in meetings with both peers and subordinates and have had it done to me.
 
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rjd970 said:
They control the vast majority of the wealth. That is the simple truth. Politically, this is going to lead to a progressive tax system. It is just the way it is.

...in before childish class warfare bullshiz nonsense charges are leveled against me.
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we already have a massively progressive tax system. even in a flat tax system the wealthy would pay far more.

of course it's class warfare. what else could it be?
 
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therealUT said:
Three different articles from three different news services state that Obama was already wrapping the meeting up and Cantor wanted to continue with the meeting; the difference in the articles is the way each of the authors represent this "walk out".

In my opinion, he is holding the meeting at the White House, it is his meeting, he is trying to end it, and Cantor is being a clown; I have no problem with Obama getting frustrated and storming off. I've done the same in meetings with both peers and subordinates and have had it done to me.
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You trust the MSM (LSM)? Sheep....;-)
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JayVols said:
They shouldn't per se. I personally would like to see a flat tax with no exemptions/loopholes for anyone. But, we have what we have atm. If we are truly serious reducing the debt, I feel we should cut and increase revenue to specifically pay debt.
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if we need to increase revenue why should the people who benefit the most from the govt be teh ones who pay by far the least?
 
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droski said:
we already have a massively progressive tax system. even in a flat tax system the wealthy would pay far more.

of course it's class warfare. what else could it be?
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Reality.

From a sheer dollar perspective, who benefits the most in our society? Bill Gates is born in Africa and no way he is who he is today.

Class warfare is complete nonsense when talking about this.
 
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droski said:
we already have a massively progressive tax system. even in a flat tax system the wealthy would pay far more.

of course it's class warfare. what else could it be?
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In any tax system, to include the FairTax, the wealthy will and should pay far more in terms of gross numbers; however, they should not have to pay more in terms of proportions.

That said, the situation we are currently in is not ideal; let the Bush Tax Cuts expire and simultaneously raise the percentages at the lower end of the tax bracket while getting rid of tax credits.

Once everybody is paying and sacrificing, politicians will have much less opportunity to spend.
 
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droski said:
we already have a massively progressive tax system. even in a flat tax system the wealthy would pay far more.

of course it's class warfare. what else could it be?
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What? Of course they would pay more, but it would be at least the same percentage. No disrespect, but I get the feeling that you wouldn't be satisfied until there are no taxes.
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droski said:
if we need to increase revenue why should the people who benefit the most from the govt be teh ones who pay by far the least?
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Given the money paid to lobbyiests and special interest, I don't totally agree that those who pay the least benefit the most. The wealthy benefit quite well with how the system works.
 
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therealUT said:
In any tax system, to include the FairTax, the wealthy will and should pay far more in terms of gross numbers; however, they should not have to pay more in terms of proportions.

That said, the situation we are currently in is not ideal; let the Bush Tax Cuts expire and simultaneously raise the percentages at the lower end of the tax bracket while getting rid of tax credits.

Once everybody is paying and sacrificing, politicians will have much less opportunity to spend.
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Thanks for stating my views when apparently I was unable to convey my thoughts.
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droski said:
if we need to increase revenue why should the people who benefit the most from the govt be teh ones who pay by far the least?
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The wealthy don't benefit from govt? Poppycock.
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rjd970 said:
Reality.

From a sheer dollar perspective, who benefits the most in our society? Bill Gates is born in Africa and no way he is who he is today.

Class warfare is complete nonsense when talking about this.
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bill gates created tens of thousands of jobs at the least. bill gates is giving away the vast majority of his wealth. society has benefited more from bill gates than bill gates himself.

i think it's sad that people expect other people to pay for their obligations.
 
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