The Grand Irony - college football is socialist

[utvolpj]

WHO

OWNS

UTAD

?

It seems YOU don't know much about UTAD. lol:

it's already been answered. Now about that trump card you played...

 

[fl0at]

WHO

OWNS

UTAD

?

It seems YOU don't know much about UTAD. lol:

I have answered this about 15 times. The UTAD is owned by the Athletic Board, which is in turn granted permission by the bylaws of the University under Article III, Section 12.

Again, for your benefit:

SECTION 12. Intercollegiate athletics, like all other programs offered by the University, are subject to the governance of the Board of Trustees. The Board of Trustees has established an Athletics Board for each campus of the University which offers intercollegiate athletics programs. These Boards shall serve in an advisory capacity with respect to intercollegiate athletics. Members of the Board of Trustees shall be appointed to the Athletics Boards in the same manner as Trustees are appointed to standing committees. Trustee members of the Athletics Boards, together with the University administration, shall maintain a liaison between the University's intercollegiate athletics programs and the Board of Trustees. Any change in the structure or function of the Athletics Boards shall be subject to the approval of the Board of Trustees.

 

[jwells]

WHO

OWNS

UTAD

?

It seems YOU don't know much about UTAD. lol:

Why does it need an owner? The AD makes money and its shareholders (in this case, sports) benefit. The more money we make, the more facilities we build, the more we recruit, etc. We don't take all our profits and funnel them to Vanderbilt. It's like a small-business owner rolling his profits over into the business. Gotta keep it growing to keep it competitive.

 

[utgibbs]

I have answered this about 15 times. The UTAD is owned by the Athletic Board, which is in turn granted permission by the bylaws of the University under Article III, Section 12.

Again, for your benefit:

Thankee. That's socialist. :hi:

 

[fl0at]

Thankee. That's socialist. :hi:

Are you this way in "the real world" or is this just your Internet persona?

Please. PLEASE. Explain, in your own words, exactly how that is socialist.

 

[BeecherVol]

Insert charts.

 

[BeecherVol]

and graphs.

 

[utgibbs]

Why does it need an owner? The AD makes money and its shareholders (in this case, sports) benefit. The more money we make, the more facilities we build, the more we recruit, etc. We don't take all our profits and funnel them to Vanderbilt. It's like a small-business owner rolling his profits over into the business. Gotta keep it growing to keep it competitive.

Socialism and capitalism is about "who owns what." Both systems make profits.

The state own UT and UTAD. The GA has constituted the BoT to run the University:

http://bot.tennessee.edu/docs/Code_of_Ethics_10200.pdf

And from the UTAD annual report:

A May 2008 report in the Chronicle of Higher Education stated that only 17 of the
more than 300 athletics programs in all of Division I - about 5 percent - earned a net
profit between 2004 and 2006.

In other words, college football is socialist.

Edit: Game, Set, and Match III, IV, V.

Edit II: AND YOU SHOULD LOVE IT REGARDLESS. MAYBE EVEN MORE SO.

 

[fl0at]

Socialism and capitalism is about "who owns what." Both systems make profits.

The state own UT and UTAD. The GA has constituted the BoT to run the University:

http://bot.tennessee.edu/docs/Code_of_Ethics_10200.pdf

Wow.

Section 1. Public Trust. The General Assembly of the State of Tennessee constituted the Board of Trustees as a corporate entity responsible for the governance of The University of Tennessee.Trustees hold a position of public trust and are expected to carry out their governance responsibilities in an honest, ethical, and diligent manner.

 

[utvolpj]

so if the state actually owns the UTAD as you claim then they could force them to do whatever they wanted with the money right? And since another SEC team is sitting in this state with a little old stadium why don't they redistribute the money to help them out? Maybe they could use the money to hire them an AD? Doesn't seem like they are doing their job as good little socialists

 

[jwells]

Wow.

A not-for-profit corporation is still a business, right? And if it has a for-profit business tied to it (UTAD) it's still a business, right?

The thing about arguing with stupid people is that they'll just keep making stuff up.

 

[BeecherVol]

so if the state actually owns the UTAD as you claim then they could force them to do whatever they wanted with the money right? And since another SEC team is sitting in this state with a little old stadium why don't they redistribute the money to help them out? Maybe they could use the money to hire them an AD? Doesn't seem like they are doing their job as good little socialists

The redistribution function is not working well.

Must be about making more money then.

 

[fl0at]

The state own UT and UTAD. The GA has constituted the BoT to run the University:

The State does not own UT or the UTAD.

From the BoT website itself:

The Board of Trustees, which is the governing body of The University of Tennessee, shall have full and complete control over its organization and administration, also over its constituent parts and its financial affairs.


Please, explain how you consider "full and complete control" to equate to State control.

 

[utgibbs]

Wow.

I know. The "shareholders" have appointed the Board.

GSM. :hi:

 

[utgibbs]

A not-for-profit corporation is still a business, right? And if it has a for-profit business tied to it (UTAD) it's still a business, right?

The thing about arguing with stupid people is that they'll just keep making stuff up.

The BBC is a business!

Yes, it is getting ridiculous arguing that the Board of Trustees - created by the General Assembly of Tennessee is some sort of "private" entity. It is rofl funny that some people are arguing that a public, land grant university is the same thing as GM or the same thing as IKEA or Bosch (privately owned still, as far as I know). Yes, it is hilarious that at most 5% of all Division I athletic departments do not receive direct subsidies. It is even more hilarious when you consider a huge portion of UTAD's income comes from a tax deduction.

Yes, this has been lol: ridiculous.

College football is a socialist enterprise. GET OVER IT! Go Big Orange!

 

[fl0at]

The BBC is a business!

Yes, it is getting ridiculous arguing that the Board of Trustees - created by the General Assembly of Tennessee is some sort of "private" entity.

Yes, that is lol: ridiculous.

Explain how the following is "public":

The Board of Trustees, which is the governing body of The University of Tennessee, shall have full and complete control over its organization and administration, also over its constituent parts and its financial affairs.

 

[utvolpj]

Explain how the following is "public":

opcorn:

 

[utgibbs]

Explain how the following is "public":

Who created it?

Section 1. Public Trust. The General Assembly of the State of Tennessee constituted the Board of Trustees as a corporate entity responsible for the governance of The University of Tennessee.Trustees hold a position of public trust and are expected to carry out their governance responsibilities in an honest, ethical, and diligent manner.

College football is a socialist enterprise. GET OVER IT. Go Big Orange.

 

[fl0at]

I know. The "shareholders" have appointed the Board.

GSM. :hi:

Who are you considering a "shareholder?" The GA does not appoint the board. The friggen Governor makes the appointments.

Shall we break down the composition of the GA for you, or are you politically advanced enough to understand that the Governor is not apart of the GA?

Furthermore, appointment by the Governor does not mean they are controlled by the Governor. Once appointed, the BoT is free to run the University as they see fit.

 

[utgibbs]

Who are you considering a "shareholder?" The GA does not appoint the board. The friggen Governor makes the appointments.
Shall we break down the composition of the GA for you, or are you politically advanced enough to understand that the Governor is not apart of the GA?

Furthermore, appointment by the Governor does not mean they are controlled by the Governor. Once appointed, the BoT is free to run the University as they see fit.

Thankee. I thought you would get there in the end. Game, Set, and Match. :hi:

College Football is a socialist enterprise. GET OVER IT. Go Big Orange!

 

[fl0at]

Thankee. Game, Set, and Match. :hi:

College Football is a socialist enterprise. GET OVER IT. Go Big Orange!

Gibbs. How is the fact that the Governor appoints members of the board socialist?

Gibbs. How is the fact that the State made the BoT a corporate entity, giving it FULL AND COMPLETE control over the University in all matters, socialist?

 

[fl0at]

Gibbs. Article II, Section 2, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution grants the powers of the President to make appointments. Are you implying that the United States Government, which is not socialist, but is indeed a recognized capitalist country, is socialist because the founding document allows for appointments?

 

[fl0at]

It is rofl funny that some people are arguing that a public, land grant university is the same thing as GM or the same thing as IKEA or Bosch (privately owned still, as far as I know).

Gibbs. You do know the charter states:

SECTION 2. The University, under its corporate name, shall be capable in law, to purchase, receive and hold to it and its successors forever, or for any less estate, any lands, tenements, goods, or chattels, which shall be given, granted, devised to it or purchased by it to the use of the University; and to use, sell, exchange, assign, transfer, convey, or dispose of any of the real or personal estate of the University, by deed or otherwise, in such manner as a majority of the Trustees of the University shall deem most advantageous for the use of the University.

 

[utgibbs]

I don't think you understand socialism, float. This is the way most socialist enterprises are run. They have bodies (like the BoT) incorporated to run the affairs of the institution / business. These bodies are commissioned by the government and the university / BoT is still beholden to the Morril Act and accompanying legislation following. The BoT essentially has power of attorney for the state of Tennessee. :hi:

It's true, we could have other forms of socialism - like a public referendum on all things regarding the University. This might even be more "concentrated" socialism. But, the land-grant system has been set-up in another way. To use your own analogy, the US is a capitalist nation, but it certainly doesn't practice "pure" capitalism.

College football is a socialist enterprise. Go Big Orange!

 

[fl0at]

The BoT essentially has power of attorney for the state of Tennessee. :hi:

It's true, we could have other forms of socialism - like a public referendum on all things regarding the University.!

Once again, none of these things are specific to socialism. Socialism is a very distinct ideology with regards to its platforms. It is not that there is government enforcement, it is how it is enforced.

The government has laws concerning finance, approval of Corporations and the like; that doesn't make anything dealing with those aspects socialist, simply because it required government approval for foundation.

The BoT does not merely have power of attorney, they act as their own corporate board, as defined by their charter. They have complete control, and the bylaws are not subject to control by the government or by referendum, if it were possible in the state.

The BoT has full and independent control of the University, as noted in the charter. Full and complete Gibbs.

Futhermore, for an actual viewpoint on what would qualify as "socialism" with regards to post secondary education, we shall take a look at what the Socialist Party of the US says:

1.* We call for full and equal funding of public education; for the restoration of a comprehensive K-12 curriculum, including art, music, world languages, and physical education; for an end to all public funding of private schools; and for free tuition and full-time teachers with full benefits (not "adjuncts") at the post-secondary level.

End of public funding to private schools? Gibbs how can that be? Surely the real socialized see public funding as socialism?

Take a look at the last. Free tuition to post secondary. Gibbs, how much did that pie chart link you posted say came from tuition and fees? Like a quarter?

Not very free Gibbs. Sorry, the real socialized disagree with your fake socialist interpretation.

College football isn't socialist, get over it. :hi:
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