The honeymoon is ALREADY over? Shocking numbers

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lawgator1 said:
Historically, when a new party takes control of the House or the Senate, they enjoy some period of confidence. It erodes over time as they take action and the other side has something to criticize.


Here, the GOP has this landslide, punch in the mouth, victory. And less than two weeks after they are sworn in, the foil they used to gain their win is surging in the polls and the GOP has the confidence of just 25 percent of the country.

Anything can happen. But if you are GOP strategist you have to wonder what card you have left to play at this point.
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Historically, schmistorically. Near depression like economy post RE collapse and avoiding liquidity trap as hard as we can, you'd expect this kind of worldview.

If the economy moves well, and I don't think it will, congress will mistakenly get some kudos, as will the president.

They both eff around and continue the healthcare debacle and they're all finished.
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lawgator1 said:
Read the article. This is all time low for a party coming into power.

By a lot.
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lawgator1 said:
You either did not read the artcile or are intentionally obfuscating the poll results.

Its not 25 percent for Congress, in general. I agree that number is always low.

Its that only 25 percent of the country thinks that the new GOP House majority is going to bring good change to the Congress.

I mean, that's like saying that no one has confidence in the new CEO of Eastern Airlines.
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Where is the link to this article you keep referencing?
 
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In truth, the Republican base is no larger than 25%, probably less. Much of that support is garnered by hoodwinking deeply religious Southerners voting against their economic interests. Gerrymandering, a significant fraction who simply don't bother, and the sizeable US "independent" vote which swings both ways (double entendre intended) is the only reason they are a significant party with election wins. What support they do have, however, is very powerful - especially the Right Wing media. Mobilizing that independent vote and the Southern Strategy has been their strenght over the last 40 years. They couldn't win a one-horse race for most of the 20th century.

25% is probably near the correct level (maybe a smidge high) without the science of marketing making their products "saleable". There may be some blowback from the Giffords shooting, but the figure seems sensible.

Although there is far wider support for the Democratic Party, the real story is the great apathy of the American voter at large. If the Dems decided to actually distinguish themselves from Republican candidates on economic issues, they (Repubs) would not win another election in this country. However, since the Dems have far wider popular support, AND since they are more effective managers of the neoliberal enterprise, Sarah Palin is being supported by powerful interests in order to drive a stake into the Republican Party.

Does anyone disagree?
 
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utgibbs said:
Much of that support is garnered by hoodwinking deeply religious Southerners voting against their economic interests.
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like the Dems hoodwink the poor/minorities/inner-city into thinking they are working in their best interest?

utgibbs said:
If the Dems decided to actually distinguish themselves from Republican candidates on economic issues, they (Repubs) would not win another election in this country.

Does anyone disagree?
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ummm yeah, if the Dems trotted out their true agenda they should (and would) be laughed out of this country
 
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lawgator1 said:
GOP has to me mortified by today's combined Dem-Rep poll which shows:


Just 25 percent of the country thinks that the GOP will bring the right kind of change to the Congress! 25 percent! That is atrocious, no two ways about it.

Obama's support has soared. 53 percent think he is doing a good job, up eight percent in the month, including the takeover of the House by the GOP.

55 percent think that the GOP willl be too inflexible in dealing with Obama. The same percentage says Obama will strike the right balance.

40 percent think the economy is improving, up 8 points in the last month.

I think Obama has outflanked the GOP on the tax deal and coopted them on expressing desire to work together to improve the economy. Bottom line is that the GOP is already behind and all they've done is pass one meaningless bill for cheap theatrics on talk radio, which they already own.

Time to get a new plan.
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was this the same poll that said over half will not vote for obama again?

how did he outflank the gop? boehner's approval # has increased to. keep reaching though.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Read the article. This is all time low for a party coming into power.

By a lot.
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Unless I missed it I didn't see a link to an article...

I'm a Republican but I think Dem's, the GOP, Gov't, Obama and everyone else suck and are doing a terrible job.

I was a poli-sci major and I loved the aspects of thought and theory that I learned but find the entire system of career politicians to be flawed, pathetic and disgusting.

Politicians in theory are to be public servants but instead have turned the system into a job and one of self gratification and used it as a way to become rich.

To act like any educated voter has confidence in either part is laughable because both parties are truly spineless and pathetic.
 
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utgibbs said:
In truth, the Republican base is no larger than 25%, probably less. Much of that support is garnered by hoodwinking deeply religious Southerners voting against their economic interests. Gerrymandering, a significant fraction who simply don't bother, and the sizeable US "independent" vote which swings both ways (double entendre intended) is the only reason they are a significant party with election wins. What support they do have, however, is very powerful - especially the Right Wing media. Mobilizing that independent vote and the Southern Strategy has been their strenght over the last 40 years. They couldn't win a one-horse race for most of the 20th century.

25% is probably near the correct level (maybe a smidge high) without the science of marketing making their products "saleable". There may be some blowback from the Giffords shooting, but the figure seems sensible.

Although there is far wider support for the Democratic Party, the real story is the great apathy of the American voter at large. If the Dems decided to actually distinguish themselves from Republican candidates on economic issues, they (Repubs) would not win another election in this country. However, since the Dems have far wider popular support, AND since they are more effective managers of the neoliberal enterprise, Sarah Palin is being supported by powerful interests in order to drive a stake into the Republican Party.

Does anyone disagree?
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i thought you told us the country was right center. does not compute.
 
#34
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utgibbs said:
In truth, the Republican base is no larger than 25%, probably less. Much of that support is garnered by hoodwinking deeply religious Southerners voting against their economic interests. Gerrymandering, a significant fraction who simply don't bother, and the sizeable US "independent" vote which swings both ways (double entendre intended) is the only reason they are a significant party with election wins. What support they do have, however, is very powerful - especially the Right Wing media. Mobilizing that independent vote and the Southern Strategy has been their strenght over the last 40 years. They couldn't win a one-horse race for most of the 20th century.

25% is probably near the correct level (maybe a smidge high) without the science of marketing making their products "saleable". There may be some blowback from the Giffords shooting, but the figure seems sensible.

Although there is far wider support for the Democratic Party, the real story is the great apathy of the American voter at large. If the Dems decided to actually distinguish themselves from Republican candidates on economic issues, they (Repubs) would not win another election in this country. However, since the Dems have far wider popular support, AND since they are more effective managers of the neoliberal enterprise, Sarah Palin is being supported by powerful interests in order to drive a stake into the Republican Party.

Does anyone disagree?
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Oh my...
 
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I'm not sure who the "powerful interests" are that would support Palin. To me, her support is very diffuse. Her strength is that she appeals to a category of women voters who were not all that motivated before but who generally sense that "something is wrong" and like how Palin articulates that.

That, and that she's hot.
 
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droski said:
i thought you told us the country was right center. does not compute.
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Of course it is.

But Dems are closer to the center than the radical Republican party.

The country as a whole, when asked, is FAR to the left of either party as we can see in the health care issue. However, most polls these days know to enforce the two party system and everything is pitched in terms of Dems v Repubs.

If the Left ever manages to win 25% of the marketing space the center-right and beyond parties enjoy, it's over, Rock.
 
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utgibbs said:
Of course it is.

But Dems are closer to the center than the radical Republican party.
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depends on which dems you speak of. Nancy Pelosi is nowhere near the center, nor are any of her House leadership cadre.
 
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JZVOL said:
Unless I missed it I didn't see a link to an article...

I'm a Republican but I think Dem's, the GOP, Gov't, Obama and everyone else suck and are doing a terrible job.

I was a poli-sci major and I loved the aspects of thought and theory that I learned but find the entire system of career politicians to be flawed, pathetic and disgusting.

Politicians in theory are to be public servants but instead have turned the system into a job and one of self gratification and used it as a way to become rich.

To act like any educated voter has confidence in either part is laughable because both parties are truly spineless and pathetic.
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Though not a Republican, I agree completely. To believe the majority of politicians have the people's best interest at heart is at best gullible. The current system is rotten to the core and primarily serves the needs of the elected. Real leadership and public service have been absent for a while. That is why I really don't buy into the BS either party is selling. They are both wolves dressed in different clothing. The system is quite ingenious though: divide and conquer. Based on the current dialogue in our nation, it is also extremely succsessful; the "Us" vs "Them" schtick is both genious and pathetic. Too many people identify themselves as a member of a political party first rather than identifying themselves as Americans first.
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lawgator1 said:
You either did not read the artcile or are intentionally obfuscating the poll results.

Its not 25 percent for Congress, in general. I agree that number is always low.

Its that only 25 percent of the country thinks that the new GOP House majority is going to bring good change to the Congress.
I mean, that's like saying that no one has confidence in the new CEO of Eastern Airlines.
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IMO all this proves is the public is burned out by both parties, when democrats took over they had high expectations. So much talk about fundamentally changing the way things were done and striking a new by partisan change in congress. Once they took power all those promises were forgotten. The public simply doesn't expect the GOP to be any better.

Bottom line is this is more about congress and the way it has functioned recently than any particular party. We simply don't have high expectations of either party right now because we know they will burn us.

Obama has had a surge recently because he has struck a more central tone recently. If the economy gets better and we don't have any downturns he has a very good chance with republicans striking the balance. If not it will be a fight.
 
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utgibbs said:
Of course it is.

But Dems are closer to the center than the radical Republican party.

The country as a whole, when asked, is FAR to the left of either party as we can see in the health care issue. However, most polls these days know to enforce the two party system and everything is pitched in terms of Dems v Repubs.

If the Left ever manages to win 25% of the marketing space the center-right and beyond parties enjoy, it's over, Rock.
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Your opinions on the country are a classic case of projection, people often like to think majaroity of the country falls in line with their beliefs.

You reach at every opportunity to say that something proves or backs up your beliefs but it has been demonstrated time and again faulty logic at best. The vast majority of this country usually lines up somewhere in between the right and the left. Your insistence that it does not is good evidence you have a serious disconnect with reality and little else you say should be given a second thought.
 
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didn't know the republican party was radical. i thought they had actually moved from their values, and obama is a liberal. but does utgibbs think that he is more center than the avg repub?
 
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droski said:
If no one has faith in congress in general than why would anyone think a new congress.would result in positive change. He'll id answer no to this question.
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As would I. The Republicans control the House of Representatives, but the Democrats control BOTH the Senate and the White House. That means that the Republicans in the House can't do jack unless they compromise significantly on most of what they want to do. That is why you see only 25% of the people responding that they think the Republicans in the House will be able to enact positive changes.
 
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