The Hunter Biden Thread

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Because the submersible incident has found a VNPF home in the hunter biden thread... A weird fact about the submersible incident... the company owner's wife, who is also employed by the company, is the descwndant of a couple that died on the titanic. The husband refused to get on a life raft while there were still women and children on board and the wife chose to stay with him.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Agree we're not obligated to help, but we have the resources and ability that few do. I hate seeing us have to blow money on it, but I understand doing it. I also agree that this was a shoddy operation. I've read about concerns dating back years. And apparently they were driving the dang thing with a $40 video game controller.
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I see helping victims of disasters as being the right thing to do, and I personally support it. This is an instance that because of the costs involved, potential harm to "rescuers", and lack of concern by the victims make me think that sometimes you just let nature take it's course. The chances of rescue even without catastrophic failure were slim to none in any case.
 
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AM64 said:
I see helping victims of disasters as being the right thing to do, and I personally support it. This is an instance that because of the costs involved, potential harm to "rescuers", and lack of concern by the victims make me think that sometimes you just let nature take it's course. The chances of rescue even without catastrophic failure were slim to none in any case.
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I doubt they had any hope of a rescue, but most of it would have to be done using the remote vehicles. Don't know how dangerous being on a boat out there is, but from what I've read, nobody would have had to go underwater.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Agree we're not obligated to help, but we have the resources and ability that few do. I hate seeing us have to blow money on it, but I understand doing it. I also agree that this was a shoddy operation. I've read about concerns dating back years. And apparently they were driving the dang thing with a $40 video game controller.
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The owner also eschewed some of the best experts in the field - former US Navy submarine officers.

Apparently due to the fact that 50 year old white guys just aren’t that inspiring.

Just tragic on multiple fronts. Personnel, Equipment, Procedures.
 
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AM64 said:
I see helping victims of disasters as being the right thing to do, and I personally support it. This is an instance that because of the costs involved, potential harm to "rescuers", and lack of concern by the victims make me think that sometimes you just let nature take it's course. The chances of rescue even without catastrophic failure were slim to none in any case.
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Which makes the DoD decision to withhold information even more ridiculous.

Assets and money are one thing.

But the North Atlantic is not a “safe” place to be - above or below water. Especially in a scenario where people are working around the clock, under strain, in an attempted rescue mission.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Nope.

The Navy sharing that they heard the underwater implosion of a submersible is not “alerting the world of their capabilities”.

Not in 2023. Maybe in 1963, but we’re pretty well removed from that.
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Well someone should have reached out to the Navy vert early on to ask them what they heard.
 
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DC_Vol said:
Well someone should have reached out to the Navy vert early on to ask them what they heard.
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Without question.

And maybe they did. Who knows.

If -
“OceanGate says last contact was at 16:25”
“US Navy detected an implosion at 16:36”

Seems those 2 pieces of information combined might have been illuminating.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Which makes the DoD decision to withhold information even more ridiculous.

Assets and money are one thing.

But the North Atlantic is not a “safe” place to be - above or below water. Especially in a scenario where people are working around the clock, under strain, in an attempted rescue mission.
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You're really hung up on this.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Without question.

And maybe they did. Who knows.

If -
“OceanGate says last contact was at 16:25”
“US Navy detected an implosion at 16:36”

Seems those 2 pieces of information combined might have been illuminating.
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Navy alerted coast guard when they learned the thing was missing.

Edit: just to clarify, I believe the CG was coordinating the search with French and Canadian resources involved as well. The reporting I have read is that the navy alerted the cg. Is there any reporting out there that you are aware of that the search teams had not been informed, or are you assuming they had not been informed because the information had not been made public?
 
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85SugarVol said:
The owner also eschewed some of the best experts in the field - former US Navy submarine officers.

Apparently due to the fact that 50 year old white guys just aren’t that inspiring.

Just tragic on multiple fronts. Personnel, Equipment, Procedures.
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Seems like a dumb policy to ignore experts, but also a bet this guy was one of those rich adventurer types who would eschew advice he didn't like regardless of their age or race.
 
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AM64 said:
I see helping victims of disasters as being the right thing to do, and I personally support it. This is an instance that because of the costs involved, potential harm to "rescuers", and lack of concern by the victims make me think that sometimes you just let nature take it's course. The chances of rescue even without catastrophic failure were slim to none in any case.
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The US military probably chalked this up to a monthly training exercise and the chance for some free PR.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Navy alerted coast guard when they learned the thing was missing.

Edit: just to clarify, I believe the CG was coordinating the search with French and Canadian resources involved as well. The reporting I have read is that the navy alerted the cg. Is there any reporting out there that you are aware of that the search teams had not been informed, or are you assuming they had not been informed because the information had not been made public?
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I do not know if the search teams were alerted.

If the Navy told the Coast Guard what they heard then that’s good. That was the right thing to do.

I would hope that the USCG would have relayed that information.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Seems like a dumb policy to ignore experts, but also a bet this guy was one of those rich adventurer types who would eschew advice he didn't like regardless of their age or race.
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You’re probably right. Sounds just like the kinda guy that knew everything and had all the answers. He only referenced old white guys, that I’m aware of.

And yes, agreed - incredibly stupid to not incorporate the best minds in the field.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Of the 56 AGs 23 are from the state the represent.
so not quite half.
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I think you got some bad information. There are 93 US attorneys (plus one for guam) and I havent gone through to see where they may have grown up, but it looks like most of them were practicing in their state/district prior to appointment as the US attorney for the district.
U.S. Attorneys Listing
 
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