The Impeachment Thread

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VolStrom said:
You realize that all the President had to do was not release the transcript don't you? The President has this thing called "executive privilege" and it's a tough nut to crack.
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He overestimated himself and underestimated the justified outrage at what he did. As usual, his ego will cost him. But this time he isn't weaseling out. The price is going to be the White House.
 
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VolStrom said:
You realize that all the President had to do was not release the transcript don't you? The President has this thing called "executive privilege" and it's a tough nut to crack.
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Absolutely right. I don't understand why he did release the transcript of that call. It has given the "whistleblower" credibility....

.... and Nixon should have burned the tapes.
 
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Here's a fun one: List all the Republicans who objected at the time to Biden's corrupt scheme to get the Ukrainian prosecutor fired.

Go!
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Absolutely right. I don't understand why he did release the transcript of that call. It has given the "whistleblower" credibility....

.... and Nixon should have burned the tapes.
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I'm not worried about the content or the call as much as I am about the whistleblower being a second hand account to a Presidential conversation and the disappearance of the fine print on the whistleblower document where it could not be used to report second hand information which was changed in the last month or so. Smells fishy to me.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The whistleblower expressly says that the label was fraudulent.

Plus, even after its release, ABSOLUTELY NO ONE is claiming it did contain classified material.

You cannot win this argument. By all accounts, the label was a fraud. All they need now is to find the person who told the whistleblower and the IG that the reason was to protect Trump.

Game. Over.
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LMAO! I can’t win this argument? I haven’t seen a valid point from you on it yet ! 😂
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
How so? The transcript of the July 25th phone call between Trump and Zelensky confirmed much of what the whistleblower claimed had happened in the complaint filed with the Office of the Director of National Intelligence on August 12th. During the testimony of the Inspector General, Michael Atkinson, Rep. Mike Turner (a Republican and a Trump advocate) said that:

"I've read the complaint, and I've read the transcript of the conversation with the President and the president of the Ukraine. Concerning that conversation, I want to say to the President. This is not OK. That conversation is not OK." - Rep. Mike Turner (Republican - Ohio 10th District)

This is not as much of a partisan condemnation as you are making it. This would have gone nowhere if the "whistleblower" had been wrong. He/She wasn't wrong. Whoever it is, had good sources close to the President.
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Would you say you’ve got more evidence of a crime here? Or with the Russian collusion hoax?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I’ve got a more fun one. List all of the GOP Senators that are going to vote to convict 😈
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Mitt Romney and Ben Sasse will be the only ones.... and possibly Susan Collins and Corey Gardner - they are both up for reelection next year and they are from states where Trump is not popular at all. However, what Trump defender Rep. Mike Turner had to say during the testimony of the acting Director of National Intelligence shouldn't be ignored. "This is not OK." This hasn't been purely partisan.
 
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VolnJC said:
They want to put out the notion that this was the only call marked classified and that's simply a lie They did the same thing Obama did and more secure the better it's not like they destroyed emails or something like Clinton did. Embarrassing Leaks Led to Clampdown on Trump’s Phone Records
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They took a call stored in one place, added a false label, and moved it to a place they HOPED would prevent its discovery.

They were wrong. They commited a crime. And now it is time to pay.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Mitt Romney and Ben Sasse will be the only ones.... and possibly Susan Collins and Corey Gardner - they are both up for reelection next year and they are from states where Trump is not popular at all. However, what Trump defender Rep. Mike Turner had to say during the testimony of the acting Director of National Intelligence shouldn't be ignored. "This is not OK." This hasn't been purely partisan.
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LMAO. No they will voice that they want to hear all of the information and weigh it. None of them will vote to convict. Especially Collins.
 
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lawgator1 said:
They took a call stored in one place, added a false label, and moved it to a place they HOPED would prevent its discovery.

They were wrong. They commited a crime. And now it is time to pay.
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Then you should be able to interview the original situation room scribes and get them to say that was not their original classification marking right?
 
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lawgator1 said:
They took a call stored in one place, added a false label, and moved it to a place they HOPED would prevent its discovery.

They were wrong. They commited a crime. And now it is time to pay.
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Like a hopeless child you are.

He could always go with the Obama defense if I didn’t know anything about anything.

A corrupt swamp rat whistle blower would make me hide some chit too. Bunch of scum that can’t stand he kicked your @$$. And will kick it again in 2020.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
LMAO. No they will voice that they want to hear all of the information and weigh it. None of them will vote to convict. Especially Collins.
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I disagree. Romney definitely will. He is already a "Never Trumper" and has nothing to lose. He will probably only serve one term in the Senate, anyway. Collins and Gardner will vote to convict, if they want to be reelected... if they don't vote to convict? That works just as well... that will cost them their seats.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I disagree. Romney definitely will. He is already a "Never Trumper" and has nothing to lose. He will probably only serve one term in the Senate, anyway. Collins and Gardner will vote to convict, if they want to be reelected... if they don't vote to convict? That works just as well... that will cost them their seats.
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I’m shocked that we disagree BB 😀
 
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Calling it now: Rudy is going to serve time.

He's going to avoid testifying at all cost, and will invoke executive privilege - which he can't (see below). He'll refuse to talk, and will go to jail for contempt.

No Executive Privilege for Rudy.

"Congress will no doubt want to hear directly from Giuliani about his role in all of these efforts. Giuliani has already indicated that he may invoke attorney-client privilege to refrain from testifying (because he is acting in a private, rather than official capacity, executive privilege would not apply). But this may be an uphill battle.

The crime-fraud exception states that the attorney-client privilege cannot be used as a shield for potentially illegal activity. The Supreme Court's decision in U.S. v. Nixon did not allow the President to use executive privilege to shield potentially illegal conduct in a criminal proceeding. This precedent would likely apply as strongly in the case of a private attorney-client privilege."
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Then you should be able to interview the original situation room scribes and get them to say that was not their original classification marking right?
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Or the people that moved it.

I have YET TO HEAR a single viable argument that there was anything in fact classified about that call. Not even the Trumpsters are arguing that, realizing they'd be made fools of.

All they are doing is relying on the last few loyalists at Fox -- who come across as idiots by the way-- and sending out snidely whiplash lawyer Giuliani, who comes across as a mix of drunk, and with Turette's ADHD, and he just keeps making it worse.
 
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MontyPython said:
Calling it now: Rudy is going to serve time.

He's going to avoid testifying at all cost, and will invoke executive privilege - which he can't (see below). He'll refuse to talk, and will go to jail for contempt.

No Executive Privilege for Rudy.

"Congress will no doubt want to hear directly from Giuliani about his role in all of these efforts. Giuliani has already indicated that he may invoke attorney-client privilege to refrain from testifying (because he is acting in a private, rather than official capacity, executive privilege would not apply). But this may be an uphill battle.

The crime-fraud exception states that the attorney-client privilege cannot be used as a shield for potentially illegal activity. The Supreme Court's decision in U.S. v. Nixon did not allow the President to use executive privilege to shield potentially illegal conduct in a criminal proceeding. This precedent would likely apply as strongly in the case of a private attorney-client privilege."
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Awesome work...now do Sidney Blumenthal...u know the non government employee that seemed to have his hands on everything and whose emails were destroyed because Clinton said that he was just a friend Clinton aides said she had no duty to preserve Sidney Blumenthal emails
 
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