The Impeachment Thread

#579
#579
RockyTop85 said:
Take a normal story, add one false element to make it a scandal. Let the internet community spread it around. When challenged, defend the elements of the story that are real (“but Joe Biden really did demand this prosecutor resign!” “But uranium holdings really were sold...”) Once enough people hear it and repeat it it sinks in and the ones who want to believe it will believe it. Ones who don’t know what to believe will be averse to the target.
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#580
#580
RockyTop85 said:
That article doesn’t say anything about Hunter Biden, does it?

Does Biden admit he did it to protect his son in the video?
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Is this the same Hunter Biden that got kicked out of the Navy for cocaine abuse? How about the Hunter Biden that got paid by the Ukraine oligarch $50k a month for consulting on their oil and gas industry when he had no knowledge of anything related to oil and gas? Why don't you guys just admit he was put in a position by his daddy and used his daddy to get his cocaine and money?
 
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#581
#581
VolStrom said:
Is this the same Hunter Biden that got kicked out of the Navy for cocaine abuse? How about the Hunter Biden that got paid by the Ukraine oligarch $50k a month for consulting on their oil and gas industry when he had no knowledge of anything related to oil and gas? Why don't you guys just admit he was put in a position by his daddy and used his daddy to get his cocaine and money?
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So no links?

Not a single credible report to establish The element of the story that makes it a scandal?
 
#582
#582
VolStrom said:
Is this the same Hunter Biden that got kicked out of the Navy for cocaine abuse? How about the Hunter Biden that got paid by the Ukraine oligarch $50k a month for consulting on their oil and gas industry when he had no knowledge of anything related to oil and gas? Why don't you guys just admit he was put in a position by his daddy and used his daddy to get his cocaine and money?
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Even making the very big assumption that everything you said here is factual... it still would not be a defense for what Trump is alleged to have done on that phone call with Zelensky.
 
#583
#583
BowlBrother85 said:
Even making the very big assumption that everything you said here is factual... it still would not be a defense for what Trump is alleged to have done on that phone call with Zelensky.
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You ass wipes ought to start thinking that people are innocent until proven guilty. As you've proven all conservatives are guilty until proven innocent.
 
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#586
#586
VolStrom said:
You ass wipes ought to start thinking that people are innocent until proven guilty. As you've proven all conservatives are guilty until proven innocent.
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I'm fine with that. However, the Trump Administration/Department of Justice needs to allow the Inspector General, Michael Atkinson, to brief the House Intelligence Committee on the substance of the "whistleblower's" complaint that was submitted with the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. Of course, this should be done in private, but the House Intelligence Committee has a right to know what has been alleged in this complaint made against the President of the United States by a member of the United States intelligence community. That is just common sense. Until that happens, this story is only going to build. It's not going away through more Trump Administration/Department of Justice obstruction
 
#587
#587
BowlBrother85 said:
Even making the very big assumption that everything you said here is factual... it still would not be a defense for what Trump is alleged to have done on that phone call with Zelensky.
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Option A: Joe Biden told Ukraine they had to stop allowing heir prosecutor to commit human rights abuses to get aide from the US.

That’s not a scandal, that’s sound foreign policy.

Option B: Joe Biden told Ukraine he’d give them a billion dollars in US money if they fire prosecutor who was investigating his son.

That’s absolutely a scandal, and you’re right, it’s not a defense, it would be EQUAL to Trump leveraging foreign aid for his own personal benefit.

The thing is there’s absolutely 0 proof of option B. The fact that Biden openly bragged about doing it supports option A. The fact that dozens of other groups called for this guy to be fired supports option A. The fact that Ukraine’s top law enforcement officer now gives interviews acknowledging that the country is trying to turn a corner to be taken more seriously by other nations, supports option A.

If there’s proof of option B, let’s see it. Otherwise the people squawking about it look like either liars or idiots.
 
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#589
RockyTop85 said:
Option A: Joe Biden told Ukraine they had to stop allowing heir prosecutor to commit human rights abuses to get aide from the US.

That’s not a scandal, that’s sound foreign policy.

Option B: Joe Biden told Ukraine he’d give them a billion dollars in US money if they fire prosecutor who was investigating his son.

That’s absolutely a scandal, and you’re right, it’s not a defense, it would be EQUAL to Trump leveraging foreign aid for his own personal benefit.

The thing is there’s absolutely 0 proof of option B. The fact that Biden openly bragged about doing it supports option A. The fact that dozens of other groups called for this guy to be fired supports option A. The fact that Ukraine’s top law enforcement officer now gives interviews acknowledging that the country is trying to turn a corner to be taken more seriously by other nations, supports option A.

If there’s proof of option B, let’s see it. Otherwise the people squawking about it look like either liars or idiots.
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Yeah, you better hope not.
 
#591
#591
I don't think trying to make this ok because you are justified is going to go over very well with anyone other than the 25 percent or so that would accept him shooting someone on Fifth Avenue.

Trump looks petty and panicky in this.
 
#592
#592
VolStrom said:
Yeah, you better hope not.
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LOL! Like I said before, even "if" what you have alleged is 100% factual, that is not a defense for what Trump is alleged to have done on the July phone call with the Ukrainian President Zelensky.

There is a big pile of "if's" and "alleging" going on here now. You seem more willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt than you do Biden.
 
#593
#593
BowlBrother85 said:
LOL! Like I said before, even "if" what you have alleged is 100% factual, that is not a defense for what Trump is alleged to have done on the July phone call with the Ukrainian President Zelensky.

There is a big pile of "if's" and "alleging" going on here now. You seem more willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt than you do Biden.
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Worst case scenario: I stop believing in Biden as the candidate to be the face of the referendum on corruption and incivility.

As shocking as this must be for some here, I’ll be disappointed with that development for about 15 seconds, and then I’ll move on with my life. He’s a politician. They’re a fungible commodity.
 
#594
#594
RockyTop85 said:
Worst case scenario: I stop believing in Biden as the candidate to be the face of the referendum on corruption and incivility.

As shocking as this must be for some here, I’ll be disappointed with that development for about 15 seconds, and then I’ll move on with my life. He’s a politician. They’re a fungible commodity.
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It would disappoint me more than that. I do like Biden. However, I can't get over how the right is treating this story... as if corruption on the part of Biden would somehow justify corruption from Trump. It wouldn't.
 
#595
#595
lawgator1 said:
I don't think trying to make this ok because you are justified is going to go over very well with anyone other than the 25 percent or so that would accept him shooting someone on Fifth Avenue.

Trump looks petty and panicky in this.
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It really does look as though Trump has been taking those polls showing Biden with a 12 to 14 point head to head lead to heart. This story makes it appear as though he is worried about facing Biden, regardless of what he may say publicly.
 
#596
#596
BowlBrother85 said:
It would disappoint me more than that. I do like Biden. However, I can't get over how the right is treating this story... as if corruption on the part of Biden would somehow justify corruption from Trump. It wouldn't.
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Who’s justifying it? Once again you’ve taken unsubstantiated information, put an “if true” on it, and then demand a condemnation from everyone.

Your ass has been trolled for years by fake media stories. I cannot believe you still take the bait.

Meanwhile, those voices here who like to pretend they are the neutral observers and often preach about partisan bias have played this like normal. Not much questioning going on regarding the source of the latest “Trump bombshell”, even though there is no corroboration and a track record of bad reporting. Yet when anyone brings up the other side, there’s a demand for context and evidence. This place never changes.

My hunch on how this plays out:

1- There will be no evidence presented that corroborates the story

2- Democrats will claim Trump is dirty anyway, largely based on only the seriousness of the charge

3- Posters here still won’t learn a damn thing about the honor and trustworthiness of the news media

4- Biden will end up being stung the worst from this latest “bombshell”
 
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#597
#597
DC_Vol said:
Who’s justifying it? Once again you’ve taken unsubstantiated information, put an “if true” on it, and then demand a condemnation from everyone.

Your ass has been trolled for years by fake media stories. I cannot believe you still take the bait.

Meanwhile, those voices here who like to pretend they are the neutral observers and often preach about partisan bias have played this like normal. Not much questioning going on regarding the source of the latest “Trump bombshell”, even though there is no corroboration and a track record of bad reporting. Yet when anyone brings up the other side, there’s a demand for context and evidence. This place never changes.

My hunch on how this plays out:

1- There will be no evidence presented that corroborates the story

2- Democrats will claim Trump is dirty anyway, largely based on only the seriousness of the charge

3- Posters here still won’t learn a damn thing about the honor and trustworthiness of the news media

4- Biden will end up being stung the worst from this latest “bombshell”
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That reads like a list of wishful thinking on the part of the average Trump supporter. As for not questioning the source of the latest "Trump bombshell". Well, we can't question someone, when we don't even know who it is. The "whistleblower's" identity will probably never be publicly revealed (nor should it). Even Trump has said that he doesn't know who it is, but that didn't prevent him from accusing the "whistleblower" of being a political partisan, now did it?

As for having no evidence that corroborates this story? If that is the case then there should be nothing wrong with allowing the Inspector General, Michael Atkinson, to brief the House Intelligence Committee on the substance of the "whistleblower's" complaint against Trump, which was submitted to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, now should there? Yet, the Trump Administration has been blocking Atkinson from briefing the House Intelligence Committee on this complaint.

I wouldn't be surprised if nothing comes of this but there is smoke here. Once again, we see a conservative poster who is willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt, but not a Democrat... but we are the ones blinded by partisanship, right? Yeah, okay.
 
#599
#599
RockyTop85 said:
Option A: Joe Biden told Ukraine they had to stop allowing heir prosecutor to commit human rights abuses to get aide from the US.

That’s not a scandal, that’s sound foreign policy.

Option B: Joe Biden told Ukraine he’d give them a billion dollars in US money if they fire prosecutor who was investigating his son.

That’s absolutely a scandal, and you’re right, it’s not a defense, it would be EQUAL to Trump leveraging foreign aid for his own personal benefit.

The thing is there’s absolutely 0 proof of option B. The fact that Biden openly bragged about doing it supports option A. The fact that dozens of other groups called for this guy to be fired supports option A. The fact that Ukraine’s top law enforcement officer now gives interviews acknowledging that the country is trying to turn a corner to be taken more seriously by other nations, supports option A.

If there’s proof of option B, let’s see it. Otherwise the people squawking about it look like either liars or idiots.
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Please repost this in Sharpie so the majority of VN might understand it.
 
#600
#600
BowlBrother85 said:
That reads like a list of wishful thinking on the part of the average Trump supporter. As for not questioning the source of the latest "Trump bombshell". Well, we can't question someone, when we don't even know who it is. The "whistleblower's" identity will probably never be publicly revealed (nor should it). Even Trump has said that he doesn't know who it is, but that didn't prevent him from accusing the "whistleblower" of being a political partisan, now did it?

As for having no evidence that corroborates this story? If that is the case then there should be nothing wrong with allowing the Inspector General, Michael Atkinson, to brief the House Intelligence Committee on the substance of the "whistleblower's" complaint against Trump, which was submitted to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, now should there? Yet, the Trump Administration has been blocking Atkinson from briefing the House Intelligence Committee on this complaint.

I wouldn't be surprised if nothing comes of this but there is smoke here. Once again, we see a conservative poster who is willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt, but not a Democrat... but we are the ones blinded by partisanship, right? Yeah, okay.
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The first three hunches are based on history. I admit to secretly wishing you guys remain this gullible. It’s a bad look but you wear it pretty well. The fourth is truly a hunch.

Just remember to keep adding the “if true” to all your Trump posts. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
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